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believe July 8 1947 the Army Air Force

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has announced that a flying death has

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been found under now in the possession

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of the on a rig change the game changer

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differences worldwide would vanish if we

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were facing an alien threat from outside

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fade to black with your host Jimmy

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church on the game-changer radio network

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we need your help to get to the year

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you listening today too

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with Jimmy Jets on the game change in

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how you doing how you doing today's

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Tuesday April 28 2020

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119 days into the new year only 247 days

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left we are live from a bunker somewhere

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in the middle of beautiful downtown

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Burbank California and I would like to

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welcome everybody listening all around

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the world

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hither and thither

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- when from

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back in forth up and down east and west

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far and near this is fade to black for

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kjc are the game changer network and kg

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are a the planets

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I'm yours Jimmy Church what is cracking

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everybody how you do it

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tonight's very special guests Greg house

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Greg house is here we're gonna be

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talking about the media tonight all of

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it and how it is attempting to control

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you and the world and if and what you

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need to do right now if you're not

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familiar with Greg and that's okay he's

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been on the show a few times and and he

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was on our TV show and I've had him over

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at coast too as well a couple of times I

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think by now his background

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extraordinary extra-ordinary the things

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that he has done have been through and

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seriously knows about the media and the

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internet and control that's right and

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his his assistance Ford for different TV

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programs and things when it comes to

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stuff like this and and the Internet is

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is what Greg is all about he is highly

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regarded and respected and to have Greg

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with us and he has been a part of this

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show now and have to ask Rita three

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years three years and I will never

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forget we were in New York

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shooting for History Channel and Greg

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and Rita and I all stayed at the same

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hotel and meeting Greg first off he's

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tall he's a big guy he's not he's really

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tall but you meet him he's very

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intimidating and we were all part of we

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were at the Hope conference in New York

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hackers on planet earth and his I'm

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serious about this to his his respect in

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in that world is incredible and

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incredible to witness and then you start

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extraordinary so Greg is with us tonight

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tomorrow night right here on this

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Jason quit is here for quits Piercy part

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four and also tomorrow night we will be

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taking your phone calls okay we want to

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hear about so think about it

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okay what are your conspiracies that

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need to be raided and we will raid it

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one two three four pipes tomorrow night

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and you know about the conspiracies that

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we have already talked about on the show

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so hit outside of those and maybe there

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are there is a conspiracy out there that

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you have thought about that hasn't been

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mentioned I want to hear from you

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tomorrow night will do all of that on

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quit Speer see part four here on fade to

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seen the Sarah Adams livestream UFO

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video have you seen this yet watched it

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and you guys need to check it out it's

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pretty cool and we'll post it up in

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well pulse it up in Twitter so all of

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advice watch the video but watch the

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entire thing okay it's it's it's a

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beautiful livestream okay just watch the

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whole thing and you can post your

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comments about that up in Twitter but

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it's pretty cool that's a pretty cool

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video other breaking news tomorrow

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night's an asteroid estimated to be 1.2

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miles wide is set to fly by earth early

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don't worry it's not going to collide

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with us but it it's called asteroid 5 to

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1998 tomorrow April 29th it's gonna pass

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within three million nine hundred

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thousand miles of Earth moving at 19,000

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five thousand miles per hour range this

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farther than the distance between the

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to occur at 5:56 a.m. Eastern Time there

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you go alright so that is tomorrow night

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NASCAR can go forward finally finally

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unless the health conditions deteriorate

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in the state the governor in North

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24th followed by a second race at

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right Rita just got the live stream up

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excuse my pause for doing this everybody

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but I promised that I would do it Sarah

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Adams Sarah Adams UFO video okay that

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should be good enough right does

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everybody know what this is okay all

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right so I got that up there

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temperatures in Las Vegas have never hit

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the century mark in April any April

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before but that's the forecast for

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tomorrow over 100 degrees as

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the desert Southwest it's already hit

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here in Southern California Phoenix is

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predicted to hit now check this 106

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degrees on Thursday which would also be

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its hottest weather ever observed during

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the month of April yeah things change

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for us last Thursday here it had been

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raining and cold for six weeks and then

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it was announced likely tomorrow it's

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gonna be 90 and the Sun peeked out on

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Thursday Friday it hit 90 and it hasn't

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cooled down by the way but it just it

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was like this rapid just like that just

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warming after six weeks of near winter

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freezing rainy weather that's never

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happened in Southern California it was

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all confusing to us all right I got a

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couple of announcements to make the

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Starworks ufos and artificial

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intelligence conference in Laughlin

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is still on November 5th through the 8th

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alan stivell man said goldberg another

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there both international and national

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now breaking news on disclosure fest the

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disclosure fest event at the historic

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Los Angeles Park in downtown Los Angeles

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scheduled for June 20th has been moved

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to August 8th the state of California in

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the city of Los Angeles have said that

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it should be a safe date for everyone we

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anticipate around 20,000 attendees with

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the crowd that large we want to make

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sure that everyone has a great time ok

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so there is the latest breaking news

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about disclosure fest check out all of

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the latest news over at disclosure fest

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dot org let's get the show crackin happy

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birthday to Penelope Cruz is 46 years

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old Jay Leno today is 70 and Margaret

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today is 79 and Sonic Youth's

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Kim Gordon is 67 I'm gonna go on the

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record and say it right now Sonic Youth

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was one of the great bands in the

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history of music Pacific Coast Highway

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that's all I gotta say man what a great

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man amazing man

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Kim Gordon today 67 years old

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amazing talent on this day in history

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1789 mutiny on the HMS Bounty that's

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right

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Captain Bligh and his 18 loyal

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supporters were set adrift in a small

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open boat and the bounty set core

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for Tahiti which you would have never

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known about if it wasn't for the movie

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admit it admit it right now fader fact

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cells in the retina I was telling read

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about this yesterday and I just I had to

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do it I had to do today cells in the

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retina decline in sensitivity as we age

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meaning that colors like blue appear

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washed out as the years go by

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in short the sky actually was bluer when

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you were younger and that is your fate

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or fact tonight yeah very special guest

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Gregg Housh is here we're going to be

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talking about the media all of it and

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how it is attempting to control you and

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the world tomorrow night conspiracy 4

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with Jason quit Thursday is another

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fader night and it will be open lines

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all night long now let me hit this River

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Moon Coffee video oh this is Rita just

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said that the video for Sarah Adams was

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taken last year wasn't a recent live

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stream I didn't know that ok but now you

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know it's still a pretty cool video

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where am I at

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blend ok can we talk can we talk ok so

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yesterday the Navy and the Pentagon

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decided to release the three videos

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officially whatever that means

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the three videos now we know that these

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videos have been around for a long time

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circulating in our community and the

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release has created three groups the

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first are those who don't think that

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there is anything in these videos that

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are

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alien or et that's group number one the

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second group believed that the videos

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contain real evidence of aliens visiting

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our planet and the third group is new

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the third group they have seen these

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videos for the first time and are in

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shock right now

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and that's right and I just didn't know

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that a third group like this could be

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created so quickly and I know it may

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seem strange that there might be people

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out there who haven't watched Fox News

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over the last two years who don't read

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the news or follow the media who have

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never heard of Tom DeLonge or T TSA but

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it's true

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this is actually the biggest group of

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the three and as crazy as it sounds and

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I'll say it this is a good thing today

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when I watch these videos today I don't

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see anything alien or et okay everything

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about them just seems like normal stuff

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my eyes but my opinion doesn't matter

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and apparently for the Navy they don't

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see anything alien or et either remember

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what the Navy said in their announcement

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yesterday quote after a thorough review

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the department has determined that the

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authorized release of these unclassified

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videos does not reveal any sensitive

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capabilities or systems through not UFOs

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they're not et and does not impinge on

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any subsequent investigations of

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military airspace and current incursions

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by unidentified aerial phenomena and

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quote now after reading this statement

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many times over the last 24 hours I come

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to only one conclusion the Navy wouldn't

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release any videos

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if they have something extraterrestrial

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in them the line quote these

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unclassified videos does not reveal any

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sensitive capabilities or systems kinda

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says it all you see an alien craft

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visiting this planet would definitely

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have sensitive capabilities and systems

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that's right now

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the importance of the work of john

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greenwald over the last two years the

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constant pressure he put on the Pentagon

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to give these statements that that

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importance cannot be measured without

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the relentless badgering from John the

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Pentagon wouldn't have said or done a

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thing in fact I doubt that anyone inside

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the Pentagon could give a rat's butt

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about these videos nobody inside those

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walls are talking about them or care

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about them they're not wasting their

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time they know they don't have aliens

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from Zeta Reticuli in them they know

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this man but but that doesn't mean that

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the Pentagon doesn't have videos

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knowledge or evidence about et it just

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means that these videos are not evidence

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of an alien presence on earth the Navy

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won't be releasing anything like that

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ever bet on it

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but but and this is the best part but

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what the Navy did yesterday is help

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bring the UFO and ET question right out

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front into the media again and once

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again expose a larger portion of the

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world to the issue that's what happened

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I have always said that I don't need

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disclosure in the classic sense but for

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many disclosure will always mean one

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thing and that's the President of the

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United States live on television stating

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UFOs and ETS are real and they have been

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visiting this planet we

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have made contact and quote that's what

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you want and anything short of that is

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not disclosure and I get it I really do

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for me I think that disclosure has been

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going on for the last 80 years it's a

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long process for sure and I get that but

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there is one thing we haven't heard one

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and that is that we are alone in the

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universe nobody's ever said that have

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they that is the part that the Pentagon

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left out yesterday which may be the most

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important thing when you read between

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the lines now sure I understand ET may

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not be in these three videos but the

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next project for john greenwald should

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be getting the pentagon to admit that

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they do have the real deal stuff let it

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ain't getting released ever

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that would be disclosure you see i'm

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sure that the pentagon spokesperson sue

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GAO has not heard or responded to the

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last email a phone call from greenwald

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on this or any other UFO related matter

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and she knows this and there's another

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dynamic to this whole story

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that has not been addressed and that is

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TTS a the long and Lewis Elizondo among

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others have clearly stated over the last

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two years that they got the Pentagon to

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release the videos and tried to convince

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the world of this fact with a bogus

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release form and yesterday DeLong

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actually tweeted that they finally

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released his videos not his videos so

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were they actually released back then

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2017 as they stated and argued you know

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by Lewis and company well obviously not

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this fact has presented yesterday by the

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Pentagon and acknowledged by DeLong

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officialy means tea' tsa is full of doo

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doo quote me now where does this leave

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Dave flavour and the rest of the

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witnesses to these events well I believe

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they saw something and their testimony

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is as compelling as it gets but they

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didn't see what is in these videos the

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one video out there the Puerto Rico

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homeland security video is something

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that should be examined this is the

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video that the New York Times Fox and

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CNN should have covered but they did not

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somehow it's gotten lost in all of the

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chatter over the last couple of years

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and I've seen the high-res version and

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yes it is something that certainly

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cannot be explained seriously now I want

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to go back really quick before I have to

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get to the commercial and it is this I

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have seen all of the social media put

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not all of it but I've seen a lot of the

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social media posts out there that said

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finally the Pentagon has released the

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videos finally the Pentagon says UFOs

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are real finally finally know the

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Pentagon said and I have to quote one

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more time that there is nothing in these

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videos the Pentagon does not care about

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these videos after a thorough review the

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department has determined that the

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authorized released of these

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unclassified videos does not reveal any

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sensitive capabilities or systems I

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would think that something

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extraterrestrial

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et related not of this planet or

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anything else is certainly sensitive so

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think about that

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hi I'm your host Jimmy church this is

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fade to black tonight

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Gregg Housh is here we are going to be

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discussing how the media all of it is

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attempting to control you in the world

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around us that's right that is the

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conversation tonight Gregg Housh

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tomorrow night right here Jason quit

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quit Spira see part 4 Thursday night is

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another failure night with open lines

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all night long

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I'll be right back with our guest Gregg

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Housh after this short break stay with

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is not your father's radio show on the

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game changer radio network and k gra

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the planets hi this is rob reiner from

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apple and you're listening to jimmy

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[Music]

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all right welcome back fade to black I

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00:33:01,840 --> 00:32:58,940
am your host Jimmy Church tonight our

579
00:33:04,690 --> 00:33:01,850
guest is Greg house and we are going to

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discuss the vast media TV radio the news

581
00:33:09,039 --> 00:33:07,400
entertainment the internet and how your

582
00:33:11,940 --> 00:33:09,049
mind in the world around you is

583
00:33:15,130 --> 00:33:11,950
controlled by what you see in here that

584
00:33:17,529 --> 00:33:15,140
little background on Greg Greg spent

585
00:33:21,010 --> 00:33:17,539
much of his teens in early 20s evading

586
00:33:23,830 --> 00:33:21,020
an FBI task force while helping to

587
00:33:27,130 --> 00:33:23,840
operate the Internet's for most software

588
00:33:29,470 --> 00:33:27,140
pirating rings another living and

589
00:33:32,860 --> 00:33:29,480
otherwise living the life of a criminal

590
00:33:36,190 --> 00:33:32,870
hacker in 2000 the chase was finally

591
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:36,200
over he got busted the next seven years

592
00:33:40,180 --> 00:33:38,330
were spent in and out of court until he

593
00:33:43,299 --> 00:33:40,190
pled guilty to conspiracy to violate

594
00:33:45,610 --> 00:33:43,309
copyright laws in 2007 he was

595
00:33:49,270 --> 00:33:45,620
incarcerated in a federal penitentiary

596
00:33:50,049 --> 00:33:49,280
including 27 day run in solitary

597
00:33:52,390 --> 00:33:50,059
confinement

598
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:52,400
upon release he worked a series of

599
00:33:56,610 --> 00:33:55,010
computer related jobs while continuing

600
00:33:58,570 --> 00:33:56,620
to participate in various online

601
00:34:01,510 --> 00:33:58,580
subcultures that's right

602
00:34:04,659 --> 00:34:01,520
soon after his key role in anonymous

603
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:04,669
global protest campaign against the

604
00:34:09,940 --> 00:34:06,890
Church of Scientology was made public in

605
00:34:11,950 --> 00:34:09,950
2008 House began serving as a media

606
00:34:14,500 --> 00:34:11,960
interpreter and interview subject for

607
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:14,510
newspapers websites radio and television

608
00:34:18,460 --> 00:34:16,850
he has appeared on countless news

609
00:34:20,349 --> 00:34:18,470
programs and has been quoted in

610
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:20,359
publications around the world meanwhile

611
00:34:25,230 --> 00:34:23,210
he has continued to work with Anonymous

612
00:34:28,780 --> 00:34:25,240
participants on various operations

613
00:34:32,050 --> 00:34:28,790
offering advice in other forms of

614
00:34:34,659 --> 00:34:32,060
support as needed the one and only Greg

615
00:34:37,540 --> 00:34:34,669
house Greg welcome back man have you

616
00:34:39,129 --> 00:34:37,550
been uh uh you know sick for the last

617
00:34:40,780 --> 00:34:39,139
little while but starting to feel better

618
00:34:46,540 --> 00:34:40,790
but while we're not going to use the

619
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:46,550
c-word tonight yeah I don't want me I

620
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:47,810
don't want anything banned

621
00:34:55,419 --> 00:34:50,570
I play by the rules man not like you I

622
00:34:58,150 --> 00:34:55,429
play I go up to the edge Greg I take a

623
00:35:00,220 --> 00:34:58,160
peek and then I back off you you're all

624
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:00,230
in and we respect you for that

625
00:35:03,820 --> 00:35:02,450
man you know you know I love you right

626
00:35:09,650 --> 00:35:03,830
yeah I know you do

627
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:13,319
you know what Greg you know what let me

628
00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:14,770
ask you this I don't think I've ever

629
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:17,200
asked you this question before but let's

630
00:35:25,309 --> 00:35:21,520
say if you had and I'm not saying that

631
00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:25,319
you do right but if you had any

632
00:35:32,519 --> 00:35:28,240
influence with Anonymous wink wink if

633
00:35:37,950 --> 00:35:32,529
you did how could we get Anonymous

634
00:35:40,170 --> 00:35:37,960
behind a grand UFO hack right to go in

635
00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:40,180
and find out what with the government

636
00:35:45,750 --> 00:35:42,730
and agencies in the Air Force and the

637
00:35:48,870 --> 00:35:45,760
military you know videos documents

638
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:48,880
photographs how do we make that happen

639
00:36:01,470 --> 00:35:52,930
I mean III think you think I'm Tom

640
00:36:03,930 --> 00:36:01,480
DeLonge here good or the lack of he

641
00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:03,940
thought he did he said I just I never

642
00:36:08,370 --> 00:36:06,730
thought I'd live in a society where Tom

643
00:36:12,089 --> 00:36:08,380
DeLonge of blink-182

644
00:36:14,700 --> 00:36:12,099
gets the military to declassify videos

645
00:36:17,789 --> 00:36:14,710
that they still don't have good enough

646
00:36:19,380 --> 00:36:17,799
public you know statements about right

647
00:36:21,470 --> 00:36:19,390
right yeah I couldn't agree with you

648
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:21,480
more

649
00:36:25,769 --> 00:36:23,650
we're getting anonymous to do anything

650
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:25,779
is a strange way to word it simply

651
00:36:30,839 --> 00:36:29,170
because it it's not a thing Anonymous

652
00:36:34,470 --> 00:36:30,849
isn't a group and it doesn't really

653
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:34,480
exist in any real sense of the word

654
00:36:40,529 --> 00:36:37,930
exist it's it's an idea and whoever

655
00:36:42,809 --> 00:36:40,539
wants to use it can can use it so I

656
00:36:45,029 --> 00:36:42,819
write if someone out there wanted to use

657
00:36:48,319 --> 00:36:45,039
the name and do that that's absolutely a

658
00:36:51,750 --> 00:36:48,329
thing they could do but a lot of hackers

659
00:36:53,309 --> 00:36:51,760
spent you know teenage years young years

660
00:36:55,950 --> 00:36:53,319
as they're getting their feet wet kind

661
00:36:58,170 --> 00:36:55,960
of you know learning their skills going

662
00:36:59,549 --> 00:36:58,180
up against NASA and the CIA and other

663
00:37:01,980 --> 00:36:59,559
places looking for that kind of

664
00:37:04,170 --> 00:37:01,990
information and right you look at people

665
00:37:06,140 --> 00:37:04,180
like Julian Assange that was the first

666
00:37:10,140 --> 00:37:06,150
big thing he got in trouble for was a

667
00:37:13,319 --> 00:37:10,150
you know allegedly hacking NASA and you

668
00:37:15,210 --> 00:37:13,329
know you bring up a great point when you

669
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:15,220
and I were at the Hope conference a few

670
00:37:20,890 --> 00:37:16,490
years ago

671
00:37:23,740 --> 00:37:20,900
one of it would have never expected this

672
00:37:27,730 --> 00:37:23,750
not many people at the Hope conference

673
00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:27,740
knew about UFOs or me but everybody at

674
00:37:34,330 --> 00:37:30,160
the Hope conference knew Gary McKinnon

675
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:34,340
right I mean it blew my mind they knew

676
00:37:40,359 --> 00:37:37,130
everything about Gary and and loved

677
00:37:46,180 --> 00:37:40,369
talking about him he is a he's he's a

678
00:37:49,870 --> 00:37:46,190
hero isn't he yeah very much so and the

679
00:37:51,670 --> 00:37:49,880
the other part is this you said you said

680
00:37:55,900 --> 00:37:51,680
to me once one of the most frightening

681
00:37:58,690 --> 00:37:55,910
things that I could ever hear I said to

682
00:38:00,370 --> 00:37:58,700
you I said so Greg you know you or not

683
00:38:03,430 --> 00:38:00,380
were just chatting somewhere I think we

684
00:38:04,900 --> 00:38:03,440
were in a cab and I said you may

685
00:38:10,270 --> 00:38:04,910
remember this conversation but I said

686
00:38:14,380 --> 00:38:10,280
Greg how long would it take for you to

687
00:38:17,190 --> 00:38:14,390
hack or anybody write to hack an

688
00:38:20,350 --> 00:38:17,200
unhackable computer and you looked at me

689
00:38:23,220 --> 00:38:20,360
depends of the person's board or not and

690
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:23,230
I said what do you mean and you said

691
00:38:29,980 --> 00:38:27,890
five minutes and and I was just I was

692
00:38:34,270 --> 00:38:29,990
dumbfounded and you said it in such a

693
00:38:35,980 --> 00:38:34,280
matter of factly blase way I knew that

694
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:35,990
you were telling me the truth and then

695
00:38:41,380 --> 00:38:38,690
you said you you said but there is a

696
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:41,390
follow-up to that that is if I have

697
00:38:47,710 --> 00:38:44,690
access if I can touch the computer five

698
00:38:49,750 --> 00:38:47,720
minutes if I don't have that then I've

699
00:38:51,970 --> 00:38:49,760
got to get a human involved and that'll

700
00:38:56,590 --> 00:38:51,980
take a little more time but once that

701
00:38:58,480 --> 00:38:56,600
human is inserted five minutes I mean

702
00:39:00,640 --> 00:38:58,490
physical access is five minutes every

703
00:39:03,970 --> 00:39:00,650
time it's it's a remote access that

704
00:39:06,940 --> 00:39:03,980
always adds layers of complexity that

705
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:06,950
add time but physical access and you

706
00:39:10,870 --> 00:39:09,440
know it worst case scenario I'm just

707
00:39:12,430 --> 00:39:10,880
going to literally get the hard drive

708
00:39:14,140 --> 00:39:12,440
out in my hands and get out the door

709
00:39:15,609 --> 00:39:14,150
somehow with it and then I'll worry

710
00:39:18,190 --> 00:39:15,619
about figuring out what's on it later

711
00:39:20,109 --> 00:39:18,200
like physical access is everything when

712
00:39:22,030 --> 00:39:20,119
we're at the Hope conference and I want

713
00:39:24,049 --> 00:39:22,040
to paint a picture for everybody so you

714
00:39:28,370 --> 00:39:24,059
know hackers on planet Earth

715
00:39:30,199 --> 00:39:28,380
and I walked in to one of the lectures

716
00:39:32,929 --> 00:39:30,209
there and there was probably four or

717
00:39:35,359 --> 00:39:32,939
five hundred people in attendance and

718
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:35,369
out of that and the room was dark by the

719
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:36,930
way they've got the lights down they

720
00:39:41,660 --> 00:39:38,249
don't want anybody to see faces

721
00:39:43,189 --> 00:39:41,670
apparently yeah it's true it's true and

722
00:39:45,859 --> 00:39:43,199
but anyway

723
00:39:48,170 --> 00:39:45,869
out of those four or five hundred people

724
00:39:52,339 --> 00:39:48,180
in that room I'm gonna I'm gonna take a

725
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:52,349
guess and say that four hundred and

726
00:40:03,370 --> 00:39:56,640
ninety were hackers and there were four

727
00:40:10,069 --> 00:40:05,929
it was crazy

728
00:40:12,799 --> 00:40:10,079
and I'm listening to the the guy giving

729
00:40:14,809 --> 00:40:12,809
the seminar giving instructions on how

730
00:40:17,089 --> 00:40:14,819
to hack certain things and everybody's

731
00:40:19,489 --> 00:40:17,099
taking notes everybody's writing

732
00:40:22,099 --> 00:40:19,499
everybody's heads are down and they look

733
00:40:24,049 --> 00:40:22,109
like monks right with the hoodies up and

734
00:40:26,209 --> 00:40:24,059
it was one of the most intimidating I

735
00:40:27,439 --> 00:40:26,219
thought man this is almost religious yes

736
00:40:29,419 --> 00:40:27,449
it was

737
00:40:34,219 --> 00:40:29,429
oh-oh-oh definitely that's a good way to

738
00:40:36,739 --> 00:40:34,229
put it but the hacker culture they

739
00:40:39,309 --> 00:40:36,749
didn't allow me you witnessed it too as

740
00:40:41,419 --> 00:40:39,319
well they didn't exactly embrace me

741
00:40:44,779 --> 00:40:41,429
going through there with cameras and

742
00:40:47,989 --> 00:40:44,789
stuff eventually they warmed up but the

743
00:40:50,569 --> 00:40:47,999
the hacker culture is something that's

744
00:40:54,189 --> 00:40:50,579
very proud and it's not necessarily

745
00:40:56,509 --> 00:40:54,199
about you know causing trouble or

746
00:40:59,959 --> 00:40:56,519
getting access to secret information

747
00:41:02,779 --> 00:40:59,969
it's it's it's the hack itself isn't it

748
00:41:04,459 --> 00:41:02,789
like like picking a lock right it's yet

749
00:41:06,829 --> 00:41:04,469
for a lot of it it's it's adrenaline I

750
00:41:08,959 --> 00:41:06,839
mean a lot of hackers do actually a lot

751
00:41:10,609 --> 00:41:08,969
of lock picking as well if you had gone

752
00:41:12,589 --> 00:41:10,619
I don't know if you did but if you went

753
00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:12,599
to the area where all the various tables

754
00:41:16,279 --> 00:41:14,880
were out and people were doing

755
00:41:18,199 --> 00:41:16,289
everything from selling their latest

756
00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:18,209
book or anything else there was a

757
00:41:21,380 --> 00:41:19,920
section of tables where people were

758
00:41:23,630 --> 00:41:21,390
literally just sitting there teaching

759
00:41:26,329 --> 00:41:23,640
each other how to pick certain locks

760
00:41:29,269 --> 00:41:26,339
it's a very similar mentality it's all

761
00:41:30,620 --> 00:41:29,279
about getting past the security of

762
00:41:32,569 --> 00:41:30,630
something and in the thrill of being

763
00:41:35,150 --> 00:41:32,579
able to defeat what someone thought they

764
00:41:37,330 --> 00:41:35,160
had built securely yeah I went through

765
00:41:39,580 --> 00:41:37,340
the convention hall

766
00:41:42,940 --> 00:41:39,590
with all the vendors yep and I'm walking

767
00:41:47,010 --> 00:41:42,950
around and and it was like wait a minute

768
00:41:50,170 --> 00:41:47,020
why is everybody selling lockpick kits

769
00:41:52,510 --> 00:41:50,180
right tools and there was just tables of

770
00:41:53,860 --> 00:41:52,520
them and as I sat and talked to

771
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:53,870
everybody that's when they told me hey

772
00:41:59,470 --> 00:41:56,570
man stay hip thing man the unshakable

773
00:42:01,090 --> 00:41:59,480
lock that we all pay pickle I own isn't

774
00:42:02,860 --> 00:42:01,100
one of my computers that isn't one of

775
00:42:05,740 --> 00:42:02,870
like you know my various portable like

776
00:42:07,810 --> 00:42:05,750
devices I have a and this is this is

777
00:42:09,700 --> 00:42:07,820
funny but I have a hat it looks just

778
00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:09,710
like a standard baseball hat right you

779
00:42:13,090 --> 00:42:10,730
couldn't tell anything from the outside

780
00:42:15,580 --> 00:42:13,100
other looks just like the team that you

781
00:42:18,370 --> 00:42:15,590
know it says it is but if I take it off

782
00:42:20,110 --> 00:42:18,380
and I actually pull apart the brim but

783
00:42:22,930 --> 00:42:20,120
from the inside underneath of the hat

784
00:42:24,790 --> 00:42:22,940
right it opens up like you see in like

785
00:42:26,230 --> 00:42:24,800
movies we're like suddenly the little

786
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:26,240
thin thing opens up and on the inside

787
00:42:30,700 --> 00:42:28,850
are all the tools and every lock picking

788
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:30,710
tool you could ever need is inside of

789
00:42:34,210 --> 00:42:32,210
this hat and they're all made out of

790
00:42:36,970 --> 00:42:34,220
this really thin aluminum that's really

791
00:42:38,410 --> 00:42:36,980
light so I can barely tell the

792
00:42:40,330 --> 00:42:38,420
difference between that hat another that

793
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:40,340
hat when I'm wearing it but you can't

794
00:42:43,030 --> 00:42:41,810
see a thing from the outside like but

795
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:43,040
the weight doesn't bother me it doesn't

796
00:42:47,140 --> 00:42:45,530
show cuz of the material and that's by

797
00:42:49,930 --> 00:42:47,150
far my favorite thing I own I love that

798
00:42:51,730 --> 00:42:49,940
thing man that is so James Bond it is

799
00:42:55,110 --> 00:42:51,740
and you can buy that type stuff for so

800
00:43:02,620 --> 00:42:55,120
cheap these days that is so James Bond

801
00:43:05,170 --> 00:43:02,630
back to back to the the that the

802
00:43:07,540 --> 00:43:05,180
possible hack of government files when

803
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:07,550
it comes to the UFO question I have

804
00:43:14,740 --> 00:43:10,370
often said that disclosure of the UFO

805
00:43:16,660 --> 00:43:14,750
subject is going to be if it happens is

806
00:43:19,470 --> 00:43:16,670
going to be beyond the government's

807
00:43:23,590 --> 00:43:19,480
control it will be something akin to a

808
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:23,600
WikiLeaks document dump when somebody

809
00:43:29,860 --> 00:43:26,480
successfully gets access to those and

810
00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:29,870
gets it gets them online before anybody

811
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:31,760
can step in and do anything about it

812
00:43:37,750 --> 00:43:35,210
that would be a way to go about it

813
00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:37,760
wouldn't it well yeah I mean you know

814
00:43:42,100 --> 00:43:39,680
depending on which side of the the fight

815
00:43:43,900 --> 00:43:42,110
you're on you either think Edward

816
00:43:46,330 --> 00:43:43,910
Snowden getting access to the prism

817
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:46,340
system was the best thing ever or the

818
00:43:49,930 --> 00:43:48,290
worst thing ever right right you know

819
00:43:51,370 --> 00:43:49,940
that the right set of hands with the

820
00:43:53,170 --> 00:43:51,380
right mind for

821
00:43:56,559 --> 00:43:53,180
for what he's looking at can do wonders

822
00:43:59,609 --> 00:43:56,569
and he saw what was going on there he

823
00:44:01,630 --> 00:43:59,619
tried to report things the proper ways

824
00:44:04,269 --> 00:44:01,640
realizing that it wasn't going to work

825
00:44:06,700 --> 00:44:04,279
he pretty much gave up everything right

826
00:44:08,740 --> 00:44:06,710
you know it's the right human being in

827
00:44:11,049 --> 00:44:08,750
the right situation who knows I mean for

828
00:44:13,630 --> 00:44:11,059
all we know the in the government's eyes

829
00:44:15,940 --> 00:44:13,640
the wrong human the wrong person gets

830
00:44:17,589 --> 00:44:15,950
access to this stuff in some legitimate

831
00:44:18,789 --> 00:44:17,599
way promotions moved into the right

832
00:44:21,759 --> 00:44:18,799
office and the right military

833
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:21,769
establishment and suddenly says oh crap

834
00:44:26,259 --> 00:44:23,890
and dumps everything you know I mean

835
00:44:29,349 --> 00:44:26,269
humans will always be the weakest link

836
00:44:31,809 --> 00:44:29,359
and any any security and they will be

837
00:44:34,170 --> 00:44:31,819
the weakest link when artificial

838
00:44:37,240 --> 00:44:34,180
intelligence takes over - as well they

839
00:44:39,370 --> 00:44:37,250
will never be the strongest link in the

840
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:39,380
chain when it comes to computers and

841
00:44:45,849 --> 00:44:43,490
I've always I've always said that moving

842
00:44:49,380 --> 00:44:45,859
movies staying with this part of the

843
00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:49,390
conversation and sort of moving on the

844
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:52,640
you brought up Tom DeLonge and over the

845
00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:54,890
last two two-and-a-half years since

846
00:45:01,509 --> 00:44:57,920
December of a 2017 to be precise when

847
00:45:04,059 --> 00:45:01,519
the New York Times did the big expose in

848
00:45:07,210 --> 00:45:04,069
the blow out on the secret government

849
00:45:10,319 --> 00:45:07,220
program and and what was going on with

850
00:45:16,410 --> 00:45:10,329
the with the UFO subject in these videos

851
00:45:19,240 --> 00:45:16,420
the media has chosen to portray UFOs

852
00:45:22,329 --> 00:45:19,250
something we need to be afraid of that

853
00:45:26,109 --> 00:45:22,339
it's invading our military space it's

854
00:45:28,420 --> 00:45:26,119
threatening our or good people of men

855
00:45:30,849 --> 00:45:28,430
and women of the military that we can't

856
00:45:34,890 --> 00:45:30,859
have that and the fear factor has been

857
00:45:38,710 --> 00:45:34,900
put into play fear is one of the great

858
00:45:40,870 --> 00:45:38,720
pieces of ammunition for the media and

859
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:40,880
they certainly played it out this way

860
00:45:46,900 --> 00:45:44,450
with the the UFO subject went as far as

861
00:45:49,390 --> 00:45:46,910
I know nobody's been hurt and there

862
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:49,400
hasn't been a grand alien invasion on

863
00:45:52,990 --> 00:45:51,170
this planet otherwise you and I wouldn't

864
00:45:55,029 --> 00:45:53,000
be talking right now if they wanted to

865
00:45:57,569 --> 00:45:55,039
do something but that is an example

866
00:46:01,420 --> 00:45:57,579
isn't it of the media completely

867
00:46:03,940 --> 00:46:01,430
manipulating a story it really is I mean

868
00:46:05,170 --> 00:46:03,950
you know when I looked at that story

869
00:46:07,089 --> 00:46:05,180
specifically and even

870
00:46:09,940 --> 00:46:07,099
stuff that tom was saying you know if

871
00:46:12,220 --> 00:46:09,950
you if you read his exact quotes and

872
00:46:13,089 --> 00:46:12,230
listen to his interviews he was very

873
00:46:15,940 --> 00:46:13,099
clear

874
00:46:18,309 --> 00:46:15,950
trying not to sensationalize it in in

875
00:46:20,500 --> 00:46:18,319
terms of he wasn't saying this is

876
00:46:23,410 --> 00:46:20,510
absolutely aliens he was just saying

877
00:46:25,809 --> 00:46:23,420
this is a UFO and you know those are two

878
00:46:28,420 --> 00:46:25,819
very different statements and I think he

879
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:28,430
was doing that mostly to appeal to a

880
00:46:32,049 --> 00:46:30,079
wider audience that wouldn't have liked

881
00:46:33,430 --> 00:46:32,059
it if you just said this is aliens right

882
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:33,440
like my mom's gonna turn the radio off

883
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:36,050
at that point right um but a lot of you

884
00:46:38,980 --> 00:46:37,490
know other people wouldn't but it's a

885
00:46:41,950 --> 00:46:38,990
smaller audience that that's kind of

886
00:46:43,420 --> 00:46:41,960
listening to that that argument and I

887
00:46:45,670 --> 00:46:43,430
think you know when reading all that

888
00:46:47,500 --> 00:46:45,680
media they definitely played the scare

889
00:46:50,319 --> 00:46:47,510
tactics but for me the first thing I

890
00:46:52,299 --> 00:46:50,329
took from it was I've read a lot of

891
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:52,309
books and listened to honestly audible I

892
00:46:57,549 --> 00:46:54,170
loved you know listened to a lot of

893
00:46:58,870 --> 00:46:57,559
books on early lockheed-martin days just

894
00:47:00,790 --> 00:46:58,880
getting a feel for how skunk works

895
00:47:02,500 --> 00:47:00,800
actually got stuff done and how they

896
00:47:04,299 --> 00:47:02,510
kept everything hidden and their

897
00:47:06,460 --> 00:47:04,309
security measures is always kind of a

898
00:47:08,290 --> 00:47:06,470
fascinated me I'm not a big fan of the

899
00:47:11,650 --> 00:47:08,300
military-industrial complex but you can

900
00:47:13,210 --> 00:47:11,660
learn a lot studying it and just

901
00:47:16,690 --> 00:47:13,220
watching what they went through with the

902
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:16,700
sr-71 and even with the the f-117 a you

903
00:47:21,970 --> 00:47:18,890
know the big triangular stealth thing

904
00:47:25,180 --> 00:47:21,980
and then following news articles where

905
00:47:27,579 --> 00:47:25,190
our military that wasn't clued into the

906
00:47:30,039 --> 00:47:27,589
stealth program was reporting to their

907
00:47:32,589 --> 00:47:30,049
senior officials I saw this thing and

908
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:32,599
it's a UFO and looking at the UFO

909
00:47:37,750 --> 00:47:35,450
reports on those two planes from other

910
00:47:39,039 --> 00:47:37,760
military when I first saw these videos

911
00:47:42,579 --> 00:47:39,049
that DeLong was you know out there

912
00:47:44,740 --> 00:47:42,589
putting out I thought this has to be

913
00:47:47,890 --> 00:47:44,750
another one of those programs where a

914
00:47:49,329 --> 00:47:47,900
military has something that we just you

915
00:47:52,299 --> 00:47:49,339
know we aren't telling the public about

916
00:47:54,490 --> 00:47:52,309
remember the f-117 a was first flown in

917
00:47:56,980 --> 00:47:54,500
like the late 80s and they didn't show

918
00:47:59,260 --> 00:47:56,990
real pictures of it on a tarmac until

919
00:48:01,510 --> 00:47:59,270
like 2000 right I mean it it was a while

920
00:48:03,730 --> 00:48:01,520
before those things were completely you

921
00:48:05,170 --> 00:48:03,740
know put out there with you know all the

922
00:48:07,270 --> 00:48:05,180
information about yes it's true it's

923
00:48:09,549 --> 00:48:07,280
ours here's the deal right mm-hmm yeah

924
00:48:11,049 --> 00:48:09,559
though around 1990 we're not gonna see

925
00:48:12,819 --> 00:48:11,059
for 20 years that the government

926
00:48:14,650 --> 00:48:12,829
actually has but this arm of the

927
00:48:16,690 --> 00:48:14,660
government doesn't know there's no

928
00:48:17,710 --> 00:48:16,700
question about it it was around 1995

929
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:17,720
when eyes

930
00:48:26,770 --> 00:48:23,690
my first 117 had an airshow but it was

931
00:48:28,089 --> 00:48:26,780
completely surrounded by guards with

932
00:48:30,190 --> 00:48:28,099
machine guns

933
00:48:32,589 --> 00:48:30,200
years already insert that's right and so

934
00:48:35,349 --> 00:48:32,599
the yeah it begs to ask the question how

935
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:35,359
many of those black triangle UFO

936
00:48:39,970 --> 00:48:38,240
sightings out there were the f-117 or

937
00:48:43,380 --> 00:48:39,980
the beat how futuristic did it look to

938
00:48:46,540 --> 00:48:43,390
you in 95 oh man it was it was alien

939
00:48:47,859 --> 00:48:46,550
right well we know these videos are

940
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:47,869
showing something that we're not gonna

941
00:48:51,849 --> 00:48:49,970
really understand that our government

942
00:48:53,500 --> 00:48:51,859
has for another 15 years that's one

943
00:48:55,210 --> 00:48:53,510
possibility the other possibility of

944
00:48:59,380 --> 00:48:55,220
course that we literally just don't know

945
00:49:03,220 --> 00:48:59,390
what it is why why is it Greg and you've

946
00:49:06,730 --> 00:49:03,230
been you've seen the media manipulate

947
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:06,740
you and your background right yes okay

948
00:49:15,580 --> 00:49:11,210
why you have first-hand real-world you

949
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:15,590
went to prison yeah so yeah yeah I'm

950
00:49:23,740 --> 00:49:17,690
sure wasn't a good time

951
00:49:27,579 --> 00:49:23,750
that's why does the media feel the need

952
00:49:32,710 --> 00:49:27,589
to put the spin on it instead of the

953
00:49:34,810 --> 00:49:32,720
truth how they force us to dig for the

954
00:49:36,870 --> 00:49:34,820
truth instead of being out front with it

955
00:49:39,970 --> 00:49:36,880
from the get-go why is that

956
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:39,980
well media spin is you know all about

957
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:43,010
who owns that specific media and what

958
00:49:48,310 --> 00:49:45,050
access they're trying to maintain right

959
00:49:50,500 --> 00:49:48,320
so the the post you know while Bezos

960
00:49:54,070 --> 00:49:50,510
swears up and down that he's letting it

961
00:49:55,450 --> 00:49:54,080
be you know journalistic lien Taggard

962
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:55,460
you know all the integrity still in

963
00:50:00,370 --> 00:49:57,530
place and he's not pushing them to be

964
00:50:03,010 --> 00:50:00,380
more more deeply capitalist and all the

965
00:50:05,109 --> 00:50:03,020
other fun things like he is we know that

966
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:05,119
that's not true and the New York Times

967
00:50:08,829 --> 00:50:07,130
wants to make sure that it keeps good

968
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:08,839
access to certain people in government

969
00:50:12,190 --> 00:50:10,970
so it's never gonna call those specific

970
00:50:14,470 --> 00:50:12,200
people out so it can still getting

971
00:50:17,130 --> 00:50:14,480
sources and still get stuff written then

972
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:17,140
there's you know everyone has a backer

973
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:19,130
journalism doesn't make much money

974
00:50:23,770 --> 00:50:21,170
unless like you're a very few rare

975
00:50:26,890 --> 00:50:23,780
people it needs that kind of patronage

976
00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:26,900
and it also needs access and so whenever

977
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:28,730
I see a story spun in a specific way I

978
00:50:30,820 --> 00:50:30,530
know it's one of three things either

979
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:30,830
they

980
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:34,490
drive in clicks so it was just click

981
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:36,890
bait or they wrote that because the

982
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:39,890
people behind them the money would like

983
00:50:44,140 --> 00:50:42,170
that or they wrote that because it would

984
00:50:46,390 --> 00:50:44,150
continue to give them access to things

985
00:50:48,010 --> 00:50:46,400
that they wanted access to I I don't

986
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:48,020
look at it as a thing where I honestly

987
00:50:53,290 --> 00:50:50,090
believe that that's any kind of a story

988
00:50:54,490 --> 00:50:53,300
they cared about for 90% of the articles

989
00:50:56,020 --> 00:50:54,500
I see out there it's usually one of

990
00:51:01,110 --> 00:50:56,030
those three driving factors in my head

991
00:51:03,460 --> 00:51:01,120
now a the the old days when we would see

992
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:03,470
the Edit desk

993
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:06,050
you know the newsroom and in a news

994
00:51:10,390 --> 00:51:08,810
editor sitting at the head of the table

995
00:51:12,700 --> 00:51:10,400
okay what have you got

996
00:51:14,770 --> 00:51:12,710
right and breaking down the stories and

997
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:14,780
was all about integrity and sourcing

998
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:16,850
your sources you know two and three

999
00:51:21,940 --> 00:51:18,650
times and making sure that everything

1000
00:51:24,730 --> 00:51:21,950
was accurate today I don't believe that

1001
00:51:27,070 --> 00:51:24,740
that is the way that the news is handled

1002
00:51:28,660 --> 00:51:27,080
and I don't think there's much news

1003
00:51:31,030 --> 00:51:28,670
handled that way I think there's people

1004
00:51:33,370 --> 00:51:31,040
in news who want it to still work that

1005
00:51:34,780 --> 00:51:33,380
way and live in some fantasy world in

1006
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:34,790
their head where that where they have

1007
00:51:38,650 --> 00:51:36,770
that job but I just don't think it's

1008
00:51:42,460 --> 00:51:38,660
that way much anymore and and why is

1009
00:51:45,460 --> 00:51:42,470
that is it is it clicks it's it's money

1010
00:51:47,890 --> 00:51:45,470
I mean money takes over everything and

1011
00:51:49,870 --> 00:51:47,900
when journalism got to a point where it

1012
00:51:52,450 --> 00:51:49,880
was really hard to actually make a

1013
00:51:54,250 --> 00:51:52,460
living at it without you know looking at

1014
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:54,260
it sideways and without finding other

1015
00:51:59,470 --> 00:51:57,290
money and without optimizing you saw you

1016
00:52:01,600 --> 00:51:59,480
know more consolidation and then the

1017
00:52:03,580 --> 00:52:01,610
government steps in and gets rid of a

1018
00:52:05,830 --> 00:52:03,590
bunch of regulations in the space and

1019
00:52:07,240 --> 00:52:05,840
allows people to start merging and

1020
00:52:09,850 --> 00:52:07,250
migrating together and you end up with

1021
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:09,860
things like Sinclair media who owned you

1022
00:52:14,350 --> 00:52:11,690
know hundreds of local TV stations and

1023
00:52:17,140 --> 00:52:14,360
and and you just get these moneyed

1024
00:52:18,820 --> 00:52:17,150
interests and power consolidating

1025
00:52:20,590 --> 00:52:18,830
everything it it's not much about

1026
00:52:23,050 --> 00:52:20,600
journalism anymore you find journalism

1027
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:23,060
on the smaller level these days you know

1028
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:25,010
what one of my favorite sites right now

1029
00:52:29,590 --> 00:52:27,170
is a guy Scott Steadman has a site

1030
00:52:31,540 --> 00:52:29,600
forensic news and you know it's

1031
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:31,550
interesting seeing him figure out the

1032
00:52:35,890 --> 00:52:33,290
ways to keep the thing running and and

1033
00:52:37,930 --> 00:52:35,900
keep the people writing form actually

1034
00:52:40,540 --> 00:52:37,940
fed while also telling the truth it's

1035
00:52:41,890 --> 00:52:40,550
it's a really hard struggle it is and it

1036
00:52:45,490 --> 00:52:41,900
has to be that way

1037
00:52:48,279 --> 00:52:45,500
and we thought and I'm saying when I say

1038
00:52:53,140 --> 00:52:48,289
we I mean generally here on this planet

1039
00:52:56,589 --> 00:52:53,150
that after 2016 and the fake news

1040
00:53:02,230 --> 00:52:56,599
pandemic that went you know completely

1041
00:53:05,319 --> 00:53:02,240
crazy with not only the the national

1042
00:53:09,420 --> 00:53:05,329
media outlets struggling with the fake

1043
00:53:14,380 --> 00:53:09,430
news and reposting and quoting

1044
00:53:16,539 --> 00:53:14,390
absolutely fictitious p r-- fiction

1045
00:53:19,390 --> 00:53:16,549
writing that was showing up on the web

1046
00:53:23,309 --> 00:53:19,400
and it gets retweeted and once once that

1047
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:23,319
happens suddenly it becomes truth and

1048
00:53:28,750 --> 00:53:25,970
the nobody reads retractions right

1049
00:53:32,859 --> 00:53:28,760
nobody nobody cares and and retractions

1050
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:32,869
are rare these days but but we I think

1051
00:53:38,710 --> 00:53:36,170
that the world thought that mass media

1052
00:53:41,289 --> 00:53:38,720
and Twitter and Facebook and YouTube all

1053
00:53:43,240 --> 00:53:41,299
learned their lesson with this and they

1054
00:53:47,019 --> 00:53:43,250
were gonna clean up their own house and

1055
00:53:48,940 --> 00:53:47,029
and here we are in 2020 four years later

1056
00:53:52,359 --> 00:53:48,950
in the situation is worse today than

1057
00:53:54,339 --> 00:53:52,369
it's ever been isn't it it really is and

1058
00:53:58,660 --> 00:53:54,349
you know there's there's a really

1059
00:54:01,000 --> 00:53:58,670
strange technological struggle you know

1060
00:54:02,769 --> 00:54:01,010
you look at a facebook right a very very

1061
00:54:05,230 --> 00:54:02,779
good example of one of the major

1062
00:54:07,359 --> 00:54:05,240
problems here if you listen to anything

1063
00:54:09,309 --> 00:54:07,369
elizabeth warren has said if she gets

1064
00:54:10,870 --> 00:54:09,319
any more power than she already has one

1065
00:54:14,470 --> 00:54:10,880
of her first big fights is trying to

1066
00:54:16,750 --> 00:54:14,480
break up big tech and it's it's hard cuz

1067
00:54:19,660 --> 00:54:16,760
i 100% agree with all the arguments for

1068
00:54:21,250 --> 00:54:19,670
and then I think to myself so there's

1069
00:54:23,260 --> 00:54:21,260
this many people who want to communicate

1070
00:54:24,819 --> 00:54:23,270
with each other and some of them are

1071
00:54:26,470 --> 00:54:24,829
pretty bad and some of them are just bad

1072
00:54:30,789 --> 00:54:26,480
actors some of them are government-paid

1073
00:54:34,210 --> 00:54:30,799
bad actors you have to have quite the

1074
00:54:37,500 --> 00:54:34,220
budget to afford the technology and the

1075
00:54:39,970 --> 00:54:37,510
moderation teams and the entire like

1076
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:39,980
buildings full of people just dealing

1077
00:54:44,349 --> 00:54:42,170
with the quality of content and the

1078
00:54:46,750 --> 00:54:44,359
reporting infrastructure like the amount

1079
00:54:50,019 --> 00:54:46,760
of funding it takes to just moderate on

1080
00:54:51,970 --> 00:54:50,029
Facebook is astronomical and it in

1081
00:54:54,099 --> 00:54:51,980
itself does not it's not a profit Center

1082
00:54:55,630 --> 00:54:54,109
it does not return money so the other

1083
00:54:58,240 --> 00:54:55,640
MOOC the money has to come from some

1084
00:55:01,330 --> 00:54:58,250
right so how you run a platform with

1085
00:55:03,550 --> 00:55:01,340
millions of users in any way without

1086
00:55:05,230 --> 00:55:03,560
somehow covering that cost well they

1087
00:55:07,540 --> 00:55:05,240
cover that cost through the advertising

1088
00:55:09,610 --> 00:55:07,550
through some shady deals about your data

1089
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:09,620
and all the other fun privacy invasions

1090
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:12,890
they do but you know when you break up

1091
00:55:16,720 --> 00:55:15,290
big tech like that you're gonna find

1092
00:55:19,240 --> 00:55:16,730
yourself in these situations where

1093
00:55:21,010 --> 00:55:19,250
what's left is an ad company a company

1094
00:55:23,650 --> 00:55:21,020
that's good at running a chat system and

1095
00:55:25,720 --> 00:55:23,660
then a bunch of people who used to do

1096
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:25,730
jobs that were covered by those two

1097
00:55:30,130 --> 00:55:28,090
companies who are no longer you know

1098
00:55:32,470 --> 00:55:30,140
able to make any money at what they're

1099
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:32,480
doing and it'll be interesting to see

1100
00:55:37,720 --> 00:55:34,490
how much worse the fake news problem

1101
00:55:40,390 --> 00:55:37,730
gets if big tech is broken up which I

1102
00:55:44,860 --> 00:55:40,400
still think should happen so it's going

1103
00:55:47,380 --> 00:55:44,870
to be crazy is is is Facebook too big to

1104
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:47,390
control and Twitter for that matter and

1105
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:52,010
and YouTube when you look at the totals

1106
00:55:58,390 --> 00:55:55,850
there and not even getting into cell

1107
00:56:00,550 --> 00:55:58,400
phones and Google and Apple okay putting

1108
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:00,560
that stuff off to the side but if you

1109
00:56:05,350 --> 00:56:02,570
just look at the big three Facebook

1110
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:05,360
YouTube and Twitter you're talking about

1111
00:56:10,890 --> 00:56:08,330
a global outreach on this planet close

1112
00:56:13,510 --> 00:56:10,900
to three three and a half billion people

1113
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:13,520
there's only seven billion people on

1114
00:56:21,060 --> 00:56:17,090
this planet are they too big to control

1115
00:56:24,130 --> 00:56:21,070
at this point in and by any measure well

1116
00:56:25,750 --> 00:56:24,140
yes and no I mean they're too big in a

1117
00:56:28,210 --> 00:56:25,760
sense that you know it's gonna take a

1118
00:56:32,740 --> 00:56:28,220
lot of work to get any real controls in

1119
00:56:34,930 --> 00:56:32,750
place not because you can't not because

1120
00:56:37,720 --> 00:56:34,940
regulations can't be written not because

1121
00:56:39,700 --> 00:56:37,730
regulations can't be passed but because

1122
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:39,710
there's money in politics and those

1123
00:56:44,020 --> 00:56:41,090
giant companies can afford better

1124
00:56:46,330 --> 00:56:44,030
lobbyists who can buy better dinners and

1125
00:56:49,630 --> 00:56:46,340
better vacations for your Senators than

1126
00:56:52,420 --> 00:56:49,640
you can so they win that fight and

1127
00:56:54,850 --> 00:56:52,430
that's the problem for me yeah and just

1128
00:56:58,750 --> 00:56:54,860
like if you go back to my space or even

1129
00:57:00,610 --> 00:56:58,760
AOL you know AOL at one point owned the

1130
00:57:06,580 --> 00:57:00,620
Internet there's no question about that

1131
00:57:07,230 --> 00:57:06,590
and but they failed and is anything too

1132
00:57:10,109 --> 00:57:07,240
big

1133
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:10,119
to fail or it will there always be

1134
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:14,170
something better faster stronger sleeker

1135
00:57:19,740 --> 00:57:16,930
cooler that will come along and take

1136
00:57:21,780 --> 00:57:19,750
over one of the big guys it could could

1137
00:57:24,420 --> 00:57:21,790
you to be replaced by something else

1138
00:57:25,050 --> 00:57:24,430
could Facebook be replaced by something

1139
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:25,060
else

1140
00:57:30,329 --> 00:57:28,290
I don't think YouTube has any real

1141
00:57:32,820 --> 00:57:30,339
competitors out there that can handle

1142
00:57:34,740 --> 00:57:32,830
just what it does and building that

1143
00:57:36,359 --> 00:57:34,750
technology I don't think that one is one

1144
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:36,369
that gets her place that's a personal

1145
00:57:42,030 --> 00:57:38,290
opinion but I think Twitter's one that

1146
00:57:43,589 --> 00:57:42,040
it could lose that fight you know one of

1147
00:57:45,810 --> 00:57:43,599
the interesting things is you know like

1148
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:45,820
my kids like they don't have Twitter

1149
00:57:49,940 --> 00:57:47,530
accounts or Facebook accounts they

1150
00:57:51,930 --> 00:57:49,950
they're all on other platforms right

1151
00:57:53,370 --> 00:57:51,940
they're all talking to each other on

1152
00:57:55,740 --> 00:57:53,380
discord and like ten other different

1153
00:57:57,420 --> 00:57:55,750
platforms so there's definitely a

1154
00:57:59,640 --> 00:57:57,430
generational thing where a lot of the

1155
00:58:01,589 --> 00:57:59,650
younger kids are not using these

1156
00:58:03,810 --> 00:58:01,599
platforms and you know a lot of the ones

1157
00:58:06,300 --> 00:58:03,820
coming up looking for the cheap thrills

1158
00:58:07,829 --> 00:58:06,310
are now on things like tick tock right

1159
00:58:09,450 --> 00:58:07,839
and you know that came up out of

1160
00:58:12,900 --> 00:58:09,460
freaking nowhere thanks to a lot of

1161
00:58:15,780 --> 00:58:12,910
Chinese government funding yes I took

1162
00:58:18,510 --> 00:58:15,790
the words right out of my mouth and what

1163
00:58:20,849 --> 00:58:18,520
about Facebook Facebook is a-- is a

1164
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:20,859
bigger problem you're gonna need a

1165
00:58:25,020 --> 00:58:22,930
couple generations of people to kind of

1166
00:58:27,420 --> 00:58:25,030
die off but you know they're they're

1167
00:58:29,790 --> 00:58:27,430
fighting that one they're fighting that

1168
00:58:30,870 --> 00:58:29,800
one by spreading their internet through

1169
00:58:32,730 --> 00:58:30,880
you know they're they're they're free

1170
00:58:34,470 --> 00:58:32,740
phones they're giving away in there free

1171
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:34,480
internet through their their balloon

1172
00:58:37,109 --> 00:58:36,010
system that they're putting up in the

1173
00:58:39,839 --> 00:58:37,119
plane system that they're building

1174
00:58:42,150 --> 00:58:39,849
across places like Africa and other you

1175
00:58:44,220 --> 00:58:42,160
know places with no internet or low

1176
00:58:46,079 --> 00:58:44,230
internet penetration and then getting

1177
00:58:49,500 --> 00:58:46,089
everyone signed up so if they lose some

1178
00:58:52,349 --> 00:58:49,510
of us they gain somewhere else and and

1179
00:58:55,050 --> 00:58:52,359
they also have things like Instagram you

1180
00:58:58,920 --> 00:58:55,060
know we don't rely most people probably

1181
00:59:01,950 --> 00:58:58,930
don't know they don't care yeah that is

1182
00:59:03,870 --> 00:59:01,960
a Facebook product you know Instagram is

1183
00:59:04,740 --> 00:59:03,880
the one that a lot of people go to and

1184
00:59:06,510 --> 00:59:04,750
I've heard you mentioned it a couple

1185
00:59:08,190 --> 00:59:06,520
times but like Instagram doesn't bother

1186
00:59:10,380 --> 00:59:08,200
me that they own that so they spent a

1187
00:59:12,300 --> 00:59:10,390
billion dollars of their budget in

1188
00:59:14,910 --> 00:59:12,310
dollars right who cares about Instagram

1189
00:59:17,220 --> 00:59:14,920
what I care about with Facebook is when

1190
00:59:20,430 --> 00:59:17,230
they bought whatsapp for 17 billion

1191
00:59:21,090 --> 00:59:20,440
dollars that one that the penetration

1192
00:59:22,650 --> 00:59:21,100
and can

1193
00:59:25,260 --> 00:59:22,660
trol that they got out of that one was

1194
00:59:27,780 --> 00:59:25,270
mind-blowing to me yes I mean you people

1195
00:59:30,270 --> 00:59:27,790
a lot of Americans who don't work with a

1196
00:59:31,980 --> 00:59:30,280
lot of foreigners for their job or or

1197
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:31,990
spend a lot of time having to

1198
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:33,250
communicate with foreigners like

1199
00:59:37,170 --> 00:59:35,050
especially with a lot of the circles

1200
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:37,180
I've run and I have don't realize the

1201
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:39,370
penetration whatsapp has like if I talk

1202
00:59:44,970 --> 00:59:42,250
to anyone in the Middle East or in India

1203
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:44,980
or Pakistan or just any of those regions

1204
00:59:51,620 --> 00:59:48,130
it's all what's that it's all whatsapp

1205
00:59:54,890 --> 00:59:51,630
and I've got 45 seconds before the break

1206
00:59:57,540 --> 00:59:54,900
whatsapp has end an encryption correct

1207
01:00:01,620 --> 00:59:57,550
they implemented the signal protocol

1208
01:00:04,740 --> 01:00:01,630
okay do you think that Facebook or

1209
01:00:09,180 --> 01:00:04,750
whatsapp do they have a back door to the

1210
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:09,190
end-to-end no not on not on whatsapp I

1211
01:00:12,990 --> 01:00:11,410
don't believe I've never trusted their

1212
01:00:16,410 --> 01:00:13,000
end-to-end on their own personal

1213
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:16,420
messenger product though you know but

1214
01:00:19,950 --> 01:00:18,010
again also that that's a whole nother

1215
01:00:21,510 --> 01:00:19,960
thing you know how much do you trust the

1216
01:00:23,610 --> 01:00:21,520
device that you're doing it on because

1217
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:23,620
that's that's your first problem yes

1218
01:00:27,420 --> 01:00:25,210
you're not not necessarily their

1219
01:00:29,190 --> 01:00:27,430
implementation it's the microphone is is

1220
01:00:32,910 --> 01:00:29,200
my microphone tapped before it ever gets

1221
01:00:34,770 --> 01:00:32,920
to their encryption nobody ever thought

1222
01:00:36,510 --> 01:00:34,780
of that until now thank you for that

1223
01:00:39,420 --> 01:00:36,520
Greg you just scared the crap out of

1224
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:39,430
everybody this is fade to black I am

1225
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:40,690
your host Amy Church our guest tonight

1226
01:00:46,890 --> 01:00:43,210
Greg house we are talking about the

1227
01:00:48,700 --> 01:00:46,900
media manipulation and you more with

1228
01:00:56,900 --> 01:00:48,710
Greg after this short break stay with us

1229
01:00:57,130 --> 01:00:56,910
[Music]

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[Applause]

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this is fade to black

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on the GameChanger network and the kgr a

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Kebbell you're listening to Jimmy Church

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right kayla from conscious life Expo and

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Jimmy Church who holds the lucky pony

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Hank's of the graylien report and you're

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[Music]

1329
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:12,550
welcome back beta black our guest

1330
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:14,290
tonight Gregg Housh we are talking about

1331
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:17,650
how the media all of it TV radio the

1332
01:06:25,620 --> 01:06:22,330
internet news everything is manipulating

1333
01:06:28,589 --> 01:06:25,630
you and the world around you

1334
01:06:30,750 --> 01:06:28,599
most likely you don't even know it

1335
01:06:33,210 --> 01:06:30,760
because they our professionals aren't

1336
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:33,220
there I guess so

1337
01:06:42,390 --> 01:06:37,050
oh oh do you still have the original

1338
01:06:45,870 --> 01:06:42,400
anonymous mask I do man don't invite me

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01:06:48,510 --> 01:06:45,880
to your house don't invite me to your

1340
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:48,520
house house you're gonna have to go back

1341
01:06:52,349 --> 01:06:51,250
and double-check I might yeah I'll get

1342
01:06:55,260 --> 01:06:52,359
it out of there might be a little

1343
01:06:57,390 --> 01:06:55,270
cracked by the time I wake you to the

1344
01:06:58,830 --> 01:06:57,400
car but you say that the original

1345
01:07:00,540 --> 01:06:58,840
original one does have a little crack in

1346
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:00,550
it now and I've moved it up to the Attic

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01:07:06,420 --> 01:07:01,690
to make sure it doesn't get any more

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01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:06,430
damage right on right now you know

1349
01:07:13,020 --> 01:07:09,970
you practically quite by accident by the

1350
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:13,030
way you you practically invented the

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flash mob and without going into details

1352
01:07:28,950 --> 01:07:22,800
and telling that story again the media

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all of it today understands how to get

1354
01:07:35,430 --> 01:07:32,230
to people in nanoseconds they can

1355
01:07:37,620 --> 01:07:35,440
manipulate millions and millions of

1356
01:07:39,690 --> 01:07:37,630
people quickly and there's no question

1357
01:07:42,599 --> 01:07:39,700
about the effectiveness of a single

1358
01:07:45,780 --> 01:07:42,609
tweet that goes around the world and how

1359
01:07:49,050 --> 01:07:45,790
it can inflame people and and get things

1360
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:49,060
started this is this is a method of

1361
01:07:54,540 --> 01:07:52,450
operation today isn't it it is and you

1362
01:07:56,220 --> 01:07:54,550
know I mentioned Sinclair media earlier

1363
01:07:58,920 --> 01:07:56,230
and I want to say like my favorite

1364
01:08:02,010 --> 01:07:58,930
example of specifically what you just

1365
01:08:03,990 --> 01:08:02,020
said is from last year when someone did

1366
01:08:06,180 --> 01:08:04,000
a video where they took local coverage

1367
01:08:08,190 --> 01:08:06,190
from the same morning in like a hundred

1368
01:08:10,500 --> 01:08:08,200
and 40 cities and it's all these little

1369
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:10,510
local anchorman you know and then and

1370
01:08:16,170 --> 01:08:13,690
and maybe an anchorwoman and sometimes

1371
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:16,180
the the weather guy but like there are

1372
01:08:20,940 --> 01:08:18,730
140 of nikolaj's them all together in

1373
01:08:22,829 --> 01:08:20,950
one video and they all say the exact

1374
01:08:23,650 --> 01:08:22,839
same words in the same pattern in this

1375
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:23,660
in the

1376
01:08:29,710 --> 01:08:27,290
exact same tone speed it's like it's

1377
01:08:32,620 --> 01:08:29,720
scary just watching it because it feels

1378
01:08:34,330 --> 01:08:32,630
like some horror movies starting uh-huh

1379
01:08:36,100 --> 01:08:34,340
but you know it was just a statement

1380
01:08:39,340 --> 01:08:36,110
that Sinclair said every station we own

1381
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:39,350
has to read and they all read it as if

1382
01:08:43,930 --> 01:08:41,330
they were talking themselves and their

1383
01:08:46,780 --> 01:08:43,940
own words to their own you know viewers

1384
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:46,790
and you could tell just how manipulative

1385
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:49,970
it was being like it was built to to set

1386
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:51,890
a tone for the day so when some other

1387
01:08:56,950 --> 01:08:53,930
news came out later everyone would take

1388
01:09:01,780 --> 01:08:56,960
it a certain way and locally write

1389
01:09:05,230 --> 01:09:01,790
locally in your town you think it's just

1390
01:09:07,060 --> 01:09:05,240
you at the local level seeing this you

1391
01:09:10,750 --> 01:09:07,070
don't realize that the exact same

1392
01:09:14,410 --> 01:09:10,760
message word-for-word is on every

1393
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:14,420
Sinclair station that's outputting at

1394
01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:16,610
that moment yeah and they don't just

1395
01:09:20,770 --> 01:09:18,290
don't like local foxes like here in

1396
01:09:22,930 --> 01:09:20,780
Boston the Fox 25 they also own some

1397
01:09:25,150 --> 01:09:22,940
CBS's they I think they own a few NBC's

1398
01:09:27,100 --> 01:09:25,160
like that's it's not like it was just

1399
01:09:29,290 --> 01:09:27,110
one network that they did it on you know

1400
01:09:31,510 --> 01:09:29,300
they they own multiple licenses and so

1401
01:09:33,430 --> 01:09:31,520
yeah you don't see it unless someone

1402
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:33,440
goes through the effort of doing that

1403
01:09:41,370 --> 01:09:35,810
someone with the time I guess to do so

1404
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:41,380
and the the other part about this is

1405
01:09:47,620 --> 01:09:44,690
when certainly with what we're going

1406
01:09:51,610 --> 01:09:47,630
through today but in the last election

1407
01:09:53,830 --> 01:09:51,620
cycle and and catastrophes and

1408
01:09:55,480 --> 01:09:53,840
hurricanes and weather and shoot it

1409
01:10:00,700 --> 01:09:55,490
doesn't really matter what it is but

1410
01:10:03,790 --> 01:10:00,710
there is always going to be an effort on

1411
01:10:06,730 --> 01:10:03,800
the media's part to make sure that they

1412
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:06,740
steer your mind in one direction or the

1413
01:10:10,300 --> 01:10:08,930
other right they're not necessarily

1414
01:10:12,460 --> 01:10:10,310
concerned about the news they're

1415
01:10:15,250 --> 01:10:12,470
concerned about how you are going to

1416
01:10:16,500 --> 01:10:15,260
react and they want you to react a

1417
01:10:18,610 --> 01:10:16,510
certain way

1418
01:10:20,830 --> 01:10:18,620
absolutely it's all it's all a form of

1419
01:10:23,350 --> 01:10:20,840
control I mean every bit of it is is

1420
01:10:25,030 --> 01:10:23,360
built to keep you have to look at

1421
01:10:28,150 --> 01:10:25,040
everything that happens the the media

1422
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:28,160
that you get as well honestly the media

1423
01:10:30,910 --> 01:10:29,570
that you get it's what they're willing

1424
01:10:32,470 --> 01:10:30,920
to give you it's what they're willing to

1425
01:10:34,660 --> 01:10:32,480
tell you in the way they're willing to

1426
01:10:36,610 --> 01:10:34,670
tell you and like I said earlier there's

1427
01:10:37,270 --> 01:10:36,620
only a few motivators for these people

1428
01:10:39,430 --> 01:10:37,280
and it's keeping

1429
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:39,440
their job it's keeping the money paying

1430
01:10:43,959 --> 01:10:41,210
them happy it's keeping the people and

1431
01:10:45,729 --> 01:10:43,969
power happy or it's keeping access to

1432
01:10:48,459 --> 01:10:45,739
the people in power there's not really

1433
01:10:50,350 --> 01:10:48,469
much else on their agenda and and the

1434
01:10:53,830 --> 01:10:50,360
things that keep the people in power and

1435
01:10:57,279 --> 01:10:53,840
and their wealthy benefactors uh happy

1436
01:11:00,520 --> 01:10:57,289
are you being docile and a good consumer

1437
01:11:03,850 --> 01:11:00,530
so almost everything that they are

1438
01:11:07,180 --> 01:11:03,860
driving you towards is that now what

1439
01:11:10,319 --> 01:11:07,190
about we I think we all understand that

1440
01:11:15,220 --> 01:11:10,329
the media and I'm talking about the news

1441
01:11:18,970 --> 01:11:15,230
specifically is is doing this but what

1442
01:11:21,430 --> 01:11:18,980
about Hollywood I mean what about them I

1443
01:11:23,049 --> 01:11:21,440
mean uh some people out there are just

1444
01:11:24,669 --> 01:11:23,059
I'll say it true artists who are

1445
01:11:26,770 --> 01:11:24,679
actually trying to do this for art and

1446
01:11:28,990 --> 01:11:26,780
somehow their movies slip out every now

1447
01:11:32,319 --> 01:11:29,000
and then but you know there are

1448
01:11:34,540 --> 01:11:32,329
definitely agendas I mean most most of

1449
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:34,550
the time the agenda is how much money

1450
01:11:39,700 --> 01:11:36,650
can we make and consolidate and you know

1451
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:39,710
all that fun stuff but their agendas

1452
01:11:44,169 --> 01:11:41,449
that they push their their missions I

1453
01:11:45,790 --> 01:11:44,179
mean I think if you watch all of Clint

1454
01:11:48,069 --> 01:11:45,800
Eastwood's films for the last about

1455
01:11:50,609 --> 01:11:48,079
decade you'll see a definite agenda

1456
01:11:55,359 --> 01:11:50,619
coming kind of from his political stance

1457
01:11:58,660 --> 01:11:55,369
and now you have been a consultant and a

1458
01:12:02,620 --> 01:11:58,670
producer of sorts on different projects

1459
01:12:05,830 --> 01:12:02,630
for Hollywood and yeah and and the

1460
01:12:08,140 --> 01:12:05,840
reason for that is accuracy right they

1461
01:12:11,979 --> 01:12:08,150
right right there's there's that part of

1462
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:11,989
it and the second part of bringing in

1463
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:15,770
somebody like you there is another spin

1464
01:12:19,839 --> 01:12:17,449
to that not only do they want to be

1465
01:12:22,060 --> 01:12:19,849
accurate but they also want to scare the

1466
01:12:24,939 --> 01:12:22,070
crap out of you that these kind of

1467
01:12:26,799 --> 01:12:24,949
things can be done and that's why they

1468
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:26,809
bring you in to make sure that these

1469
01:12:33,129 --> 01:12:31,489
these subjects are are correct right you

1470
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:33,139
know it's it's it's definitely both I

1471
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:35,210
mean for me it wasn't the money I was

1472
01:12:39,790 --> 01:12:37,010
low enough on the totem pole not Union

1473
01:12:42,339 --> 01:12:39,800
and not carrying my card yet so I did

1474
01:12:43,930 --> 01:12:42,349
not get paid much at all but uh so they

1475
01:12:45,879 --> 01:12:43,940
didn't have the money over me at that

1476
01:12:48,100 --> 01:12:45,889
point but yeah when I looked at

1477
01:12:50,270 --> 01:12:48,110
everything it was really interesting

1478
01:12:52,580 --> 01:12:50,280
because you know technically I was able

1479
01:12:53,959 --> 01:12:52,590
to work with them to make sure that you

1480
01:12:55,459 --> 01:12:53,969
know the hacks looked right that the

1481
01:12:57,500 --> 01:12:55,469
stuff on the computer screens looked

1482
01:12:59,600 --> 01:12:57,510
right that the words the characters were

1483
01:13:02,569 --> 01:12:59,610
using were correct and little writing

1484
01:13:05,330 --> 01:13:02,579
here little writing there but following

1485
01:13:07,370 --> 01:13:05,340
the process and what I was allowed to do

1486
01:13:10,129 --> 01:13:07,380
you know I couldn't change much in the

1487
01:13:12,500 --> 01:13:10,139
way of story arc like everything was in

1488
01:13:14,390 --> 01:13:12,510
place even if some of that would be

1489
01:13:16,069 --> 01:13:14,400
wrong in the way the hack was kind of

1490
01:13:18,229 --> 01:13:16,079
going I would just have to rework the

1491
01:13:20,959 --> 01:13:18,239
hack for them to fit their story arcs

1492
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:20,969
and that that one was always interesting

1493
01:13:23,870 --> 01:13:22,170
to me because there were some better

1494
01:13:31,779 --> 01:13:23,880
ways to tell some pieces of the stories

1495
01:13:33,729 --> 01:13:31,789
yeah sure sure and the the messages that

1496
01:13:37,330 --> 01:13:33,739
definitely come out of Hollywood

1497
01:13:43,870 --> 01:13:37,340
knocking about television as well as

1498
01:13:47,270 --> 01:13:43,880
feature films there must be Greg a

1499
01:13:49,580 --> 01:13:47,280
central a pyramid scheme right where

1500
01:13:52,970 --> 01:13:49,590
there is somebody that is doing the

1501
01:13:56,049 --> 01:13:52,980
instruction you know that comes down and

1502
01:14:00,859 --> 01:13:56,059
it there must be somebody at the top of

1503
01:14:03,910 --> 01:14:00,869
everything that is not necessarily a

1504
01:14:05,959 --> 01:14:03,920
puppet master but somebody is telling

1505
01:14:09,260 --> 01:14:05,969
Hollywood what to do whether it's the

1506
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:09,270
CIA or what-have-you and then you also

1507
01:14:15,169 --> 01:14:12,570
have the news media control and will

1508
01:14:17,870 --> 01:14:15,179
address Facebook in a second but do you

1509
01:14:20,660 --> 01:14:17,880
think that there is you know some dark

1510
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:20,670
room in Washington you know where they

1511
01:14:25,790 --> 01:14:23,730
meet every day and discuss these things

1512
01:14:28,129 --> 01:14:25,800
and then they head out and one

1513
01:14:30,140 --> 01:14:28,139
controller is is dealing with Hollywood

1514
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:30,150
and another one is dealing with the news

1515
01:14:35,779 --> 01:14:34,650
media so the message is the same I think

1516
01:14:38,689 --> 01:14:35,789
there's some of that I'm you know I

1517
01:14:40,129 --> 01:14:38,699
don't think it's as hard as as you're

1518
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:40,139
kind of putting it there but I do think

1519
01:14:44,959 --> 01:14:42,210
that you know the understanding of how

1520
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:44,969
the industry works is a little off when

1521
01:14:48,229 --> 01:14:46,530
you talk to the general public like even

1522
01:14:50,379 --> 01:14:48,239
like when I explained to my mom how some

1523
01:14:52,879 --> 01:14:50,389
of this stuff worked like the

1524
01:14:55,490 --> 01:14:52,889
centralization of people at the top and

1525
01:14:57,319 --> 01:14:55,500
the power that they have is is where the

1526
01:14:59,060 --> 01:14:57,329
problems are going to occur cuz like if

1527
01:15:01,370 --> 01:14:59,070
you look at anonymous the way we built

1528
01:15:03,229 --> 01:15:01,380
it as just an idea where there wasn't a

1529
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:03,239
head on top like they could have at the

1530
01:15:05,060 --> 01:15:03,690
beginning

1531
01:15:06,440 --> 01:15:05,070
thrown me in prison and the thing would

1532
01:15:08,210 --> 01:15:06,450
have happened because it was already out

1533
01:15:10,910 --> 01:15:08,220
there and the way it worked would have

1534
01:15:14,030 --> 01:15:10,920
already grown but when you look at like

1535
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:14,040
top-down structures you end up in this

1536
01:15:18,020 --> 01:15:15,930
exactly pyramid shaped thing where

1537
01:15:20,090 --> 01:15:18,030
there's a guy at the top or a board at

1538
01:15:21,650 --> 01:15:20,100
the top who are manipulatable the

1539
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:21,660
government can come in and control one

1540
01:15:26,750 --> 01:15:24,090
or two people that suddenly have control

1541
01:15:28,730 --> 01:15:26,760
of thousands of people so so out in

1542
01:15:30,380 --> 01:15:28,740
Hollywood when a movie gets made you

1543
01:15:32,750 --> 01:15:30,390
know some writer out there had an idea

1544
01:15:34,220 --> 01:15:32,760
first script and you know he's unrelated

1545
01:15:36,740 --> 01:15:34,230
to all of this he's just some guy trying

1546
01:15:38,270 --> 01:15:36,750
to get by and he gets it over to the

1547
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:38,280
writers guild and you know they certify

1548
01:15:41,750 --> 01:15:40,050
that he wrote this thing and that's just

1549
01:15:43,490 --> 01:15:41,760
one of the steps to protect yourself so

1550
01:15:45,350 --> 01:15:43,500
someone doesn't make your movie without

1551
01:15:46,670 --> 01:15:45,360
you getting paid right but you know you

1552
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:46,680
go through all these steps and then

1553
01:15:52,070 --> 01:15:49,890
suddenly if you're lucky some agent sees

1554
01:15:53,510 --> 01:15:52,080
it and says his star you know like let's

1555
01:15:56,090 --> 01:15:53,520
say he represents Brad Pitt you should

1556
01:15:57,860 --> 01:15:56,100
look at this and people are looking at

1557
01:16:00,290 --> 01:15:57,870
it and once one of those names says I

1558
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:00,300
would be willing to make this movie it

1559
01:16:04,310 --> 01:16:02,850
then goes in front of studio people and

1560
01:16:06,380 --> 01:16:04,320
studio people take looks at it and

1561
01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:06,390
decide whether it's a movie they want to

1562
01:16:10,010 --> 01:16:08,370
pass up the chain and then that goes to

1563
01:16:12,530 --> 01:16:10,020
their bosses and their bosses it's about

1564
01:16:14,150 --> 01:16:12,540
the fourth meeting up the chain when

1565
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:14,160
it's down to like the top three people

1566
01:16:17,810 --> 01:16:15,930
in the studio before the call is made

1567
01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:17,820
yeah we're making that movie here's your

1568
01:16:21,980 --> 01:16:20,730
funding go and by the time you know that

1569
01:16:24,890 --> 01:16:21,990
you've gone through all these processes

1570
01:16:26,890 --> 01:16:24,900
it's filtered down to very few scripts

1571
01:16:29,570 --> 01:16:26,900
have made it that far up the chain and

1572
01:16:31,850 --> 01:16:29,580
very few people are making that decision

1573
01:16:33,470 --> 01:16:31,860
so there are definite points of

1574
01:16:34,220 --> 01:16:33,480
influence that could easily be

1575
01:16:37,310 --> 01:16:34,230
controlled

1576
01:16:39,380 --> 01:16:37,320
I don't know how strongly they're being

1577
01:16:41,750 --> 01:16:39,390
controlled but the way it works leads

1578
01:16:45,650 --> 01:16:41,760
right into it and then you have the

1579
01:16:48,110 --> 01:16:45,660
rewrites right of course and then and

1580
01:16:49,700 --> 01:16:48,120
then you have the rewrites brutal edits

1581
01:16:52,130 --> 01:16:49,710
and the change in this character to a

1582
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:52,140
woman and change this character and and

1583
01:16:56,480 --> 01:16:54,930
edit this line and now make her a man

1584
01:16:58,070 --> 01:16:56,490
again and you know but by the time

1585
01:17:01,910 --> 01:16:58,080
you're done it's about half the script

1586
01:17:06,890 --> 01:17:01,920
you wrote now I had read a few different

1587
01:17:09,380 --> 01:17:06,900
accounts of the scripts being literally

1588
01:17:12,470 --> 01:17:09,390
submitted over to the CIA for review

1589
01:17:14,480 --> 01:17:12,480
happens all the time by the way the

1590
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:14,490
military's got to look at things and and

1591
01:17:21,330 --> 01:17:16,930
so forth to make sure but

1592
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:21,340
pages have come back with rewrites on it

1593
01:17:28,190 --> 01:17:24,130
from Washington if you want this movie

1594
01:17:30,510 --> 01:17:28,200
to go forward well you have to add this

1595
01:17:34,050 --> 01:17:30,520
one of the one of the more famous ones

1596
01:17:35,190 --> 01:17:34,060
was the Will Smith movie in the 90s

1597
01:17:37,980 --> 01:17:35,200
there what was that

1598
01:17:40,050 --> 01:17:37,990
Independence Day yes they wanted to film

1599
01:17:43,620 --> 01:17:40,060
on some very specific locations and

1600
01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:43,630
really film at those locations and say

1601
01:17:46,650 --> 01:17:45,250
some things and do some things that you

1602
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:46,660
know the government might not like her

1603
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:48,610
not nuts so they actually asked more

1604
01:17:51,990 --> 01:17:50,170
permission than they normally asked for

1605
01:17:53,820 --> 01:17:52,000
because they can honestly film outside

1606
01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:53,830
in a desert you know in three other

1607
01:17:57,750 --> 01:17:56,530
states if they wanted to so but they

1608
01:17:59,010 --> 01:17:57,760
weren't really hardcore for some of the

1609
01:18:00,810 --> 01:17:59,020
stuff they wanted and they had to submit

1610
01:18:03,030 --> 01:18:00,820
scripts to all kinds of people to get

1611
01:18:04,440 --> 01:18:03,040
access to the the places that that they

1612
01:18:07,050 --> 01:18:04,450
wanted access to yes speaking

1613
01:18:10,140 --> 01:18:07,060
specifically of Independence Day and the

1614
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:10,150
influence that was the first film where

1615
01:18:17,250 --> 01:18:14,410
area 51 was mentioned and the Air Force

1616
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:17,260
did not want that and they they went

1617
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:18,610
back and forth on that one a little they

1618
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:20,890
ended up being let's call it in air

1619
01:18:24,750 --> 01:18:23,410
quotes okay with it like we're not going

1620
01:18:28,110 --> 01:18:24,760
to arrest you for doing it but we're

1621
01:18:30,870 --> 01:18:28,120
upset right and they with a bold support

1622
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:30,880
you know from the Air Force from the

1623
01:18:35,580 --> 01:18:34,090
movie yeah yeah yeah that's that's a

1624
01:18:39,810 --> 01:18:35,590
that's a really great example I had

1625
01:18:42,060 --> 01:18:39,820
forgotten about that the the other thing

1626
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:42,070
that I wanted to mention is moving

1627
01:18:49,860 --> 01:18:46,570
towards with these same conversations we

1628
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:49,870
have a platform like Facebook which is

1629
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:53,170
without question huge and their

1630
01:18:56,970 --> 01:18:55,930
influence cannot be measured it's it's

1631
01:19:01,320 --> 01:18:56,980
it's huge

1632
01:19:04,980 --> 01:19:01,330
what is the government's control with

1633
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:04,990
that in that we don't know if there are

1634
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:08,410
fake facebook pages that are government

1635
01:19:13,290 --> 01:19:11,290
creations right we don't know we don't

1636
01:19:16,470 --> 01:19:13,300
know which ones are real and which ones

1637
01:19:18,530 --> 01:19:16,480
are not and certainly other state actors

1638
01:19:21,690 --> 01:19:18,540
from around the world it could be a

1639
01:19:24,180 --> 01:19:21,700
Russian Facebook page that is run out of

1640
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:24,190
Ethiopia you know we don't think we

1641
01:19:28,380 --> 01:19:26,650
don't know these things do we no I mean

1642
01:19:30,510 --> 01:19:28,390
we we definitely know they're happening

1643
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:30,520
I mean it's it's such an inexpensive way

1644
01:19:33,660 --> 01:19:30,730
to

1645
01:19:36,150 --> 01:19:33,670
peddle influence but we we just don't

1646
01:19:38,540 --> 01:19:36,160
know which ones are actually you know

1647
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:38,550
those pages until they make mistakes

1648
01:19:43,620 --> 01:19:41,290
it's rare that it happens but you know

1649
01:19:46,710 --> 01:19:43,630
really stupid mistakes are made there

1650
01:19:50,430 --> 01:19:46,720
was a here I live in Boston and there

1651
01:19:54,210 --> 01:19:50,440
was an account here claiming to be a

1652
01:19:56,070 --> 01:19:54,220
Boston and Tifa right and in Boston we

1653
01:19:58,500 --> 01:19:56,080
have things like you know big you know

1654
01:19:59,940 --> 01:19:58,510
kind of neo-nazi groups and that

1655
01:20:02,250 --> 01:19:59,950
surprises some people being that were

1656
01:20:04,710 --> 01:20:02,260
supposed to be this liberal Bastion

1657
01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:04,720
but the right-wingers and far-right come

1658
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:06,489
out and do protests in town we had the

1659
01:20:10,979 --> 01:20:08,650
straight Pride Parade and you know there

1660
01:20:12,870 --> 01:20:10,989
was tons of like actual neo-nazis with

1661
01:20:15,570 --> 01:20:12,880
like you know swastika tattoos on them

1662
01:20:17,940 --> 01:20:15,580
at the parade and and so this person who

1663
01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:17,950
was actually not Boston and Tifa in any

1664
01:20:21,390 --> 01:20:19,810
way kept tweeting and the tweets were

1665
01:20:23,370 --> 01:20:21,400
coming from America you can see

1666
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:23,380
sometimes when it says like from iPhone

1667
01:20:27,150 --> 01:20:25,570
and this and that and then just randomly

1668
01:20:28,500 --> 01:20:27,160
as we're all calling out that we don't

1669
01:20:30,510 --> 01:20:28,510
know this person we've never heard of

1670
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:30,520
this person and and that's not us and

1671
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:31,930
that's not any auntie fund that's not

1672
01:20:38,210 --> 01:20:34,570
any one counter protesting they

1673
01:20:41,250 --> 01:20:38,220
accidentally tweeted from care cuts

1674
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:41,260
which is where one of the Russian

1675
01:20:46,229 --> 01:20:44,530
influence internet companies is that

1676
01:20:48,870 --> 01:20:46,239
actually pedals for the government and

1677
01:20:50,490 --> 01:20:48,880
works for the GRU and and so the tweet

1678
01:20:51,750 --> 01:20:50,500
actually had that on it they deleted the

1679
01:20:54,210 --> 01:20:51,760
tweet really quickly but we all got

1680
01:20:55,740 --> 01:20:54,220
screenshots of it and so the only times

1681
01:20:58,410 --> 01:20:55,750
we find out that they're doing these

1682
01:21:00,330 --> 01:20:58,420
things other than we just know they're

1683
01:21:03,510 --> 01:21:00,340
actually doing them is is when they make

1684
01:21:05,930 --> 01:21:03,520
mistakes and it's a lot of humans so

1685
01:21:10,610 --> 01:21:05,940
they do make mistakes right right and

1686
01:21:14,340 --> 01:21:10,620
there's there's another thing that

1687
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:14,350
disturbs me and it's my own issue that

1688
01:21:21,710 --> 01:21:17,770
everyone has the same issue we look at

1689
01:21:27,420 --> 01:21:21,720
Facebook and we just assume that

1690
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:27,430
everybody is from America a friend

1691
01:21:32,850 --> 01:21:30,610
request you know or whatever now of

1692
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:32,860
course there are people on Facebook from

1693
01:21:40,650 --> 01:21:35,050
countries all around the world okay I

1694
01:21:43,290 --> 01:21:40,660
get that but we look at it as America we

1695
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:43,300
look at Facebook as the United States

1696
01:21:50,670 --> 01:21:47,890
state actors know this so yeah they they

1697
01:21:53,670 --> 01:21:50,680
you know and and so establishing a

1698
01:21:57,300 --> 01:21:53,680
Facebook page for a group that is in

1699
01:21:59,729 --> 01:21:57,310
America establishing a Facebook account

1700
01:22:04,320 --> 01:21:59,739
an individual that is based in America

1701
01:22:06,630 --> 01:22:04,330
but those profiles are are created on

1702
01:22:10,410 --> 01:22:06,640
the internet and can come from any point

1703
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:10,420
on this earth from a sock puppet or a

1704
01:22:16,580 --> 01:22:13,090
fake account from somebody that has very

1705
01:22:20,220 --> 01:22:16,590
very bad intentions in mind right

1706
01:22:21,930 --> 01:22:20,230
absolutely and it's unbelievably easy to

1707
01:22:23,910 --> 01:22:21,940
do I mean there the software out there

1708
01:22:26,580 --> 01:22:23,920
that you can buy for this has come down

1709
01:22:28,020 --> 01:22:26,590
in price and complexity to the point

1710
01:22:29,580 --> 01:22:28,030
where like I could point you at a

1711
01:22:31,470 --> 01:22:29,590
seventy dollar piece of software that

1712
01:22:33,420 --> 01:22:31,480
will manage most of your Twitter and

1713
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:33,430
Facebook and LinkedIn and Pinterest

1714
01:22:38,010 --> 01:22:35,530
accounts for you and it'll manage like

1715
01:22:43,110 --> 01:22:38,020
two hundred of each for you all day long

1716
01:22:45,570 --> 01:22:43,120
for like 70 bucks wait wait a minute I I

1717
01:22:48,510 --> 01:22:45,580
guess I'm being naive here of course

1718
01:22:50,700 --> 01:22:48,520
this kind of software exists but you're

1719
01:22:52,860 --> 01:22:50,710
saying cheap it's pointing click it's

1720
01:22:54,810 --> 01:22:52,870
gooey it's drag-and-drop it's dead

1721
01:22:58,770 --> 01:22:54,820
simple oh man

1722
01:23:00,209 --> 01:22:58,780
200 accounts yeah I mean the one that I

1723
01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:00,219
actually have running on a server just

1724
01:23:05,370 --> 01:23:02,290
to toy around with I have the one that

1725
01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:05,380
does 150 accounts and I think I pay $68

1726
01:23:09,870 --> 01:23:08,170
for the software here and and so what do

1727
01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:09,880
you do to set that up are you just

1728
01:23:14,370 --> 01:23:11,650
creating fake names and just going down

1729
01:23:16,440 --> 01:23:14,380
the list Bob it was a tool that I wanted

1730
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:16,450
to kind of figure out how they do this

1731
01:23:19,740 --> 01:23:18,010
type of stuff you know a while ago and

1732
01:23:22,470 --> 01:23:19,750
then kind of keep up with some of the

1733
01:23:24,479 --> 01:23:22,480
tooling in the space and so I set up a

1734
01:23:27,870 --> 01:23:24,489
few accounts on each system that it runs

1735
01:23:29,220 --> 01:23:27,880
and it gets content from some content

1736
01:23:31,020 --> 01:23:29,230
marketing software out there that's

1737
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:31,030
trying to help companies build content

1738
01:23:34,380 --> 01:23:32,890
but honestly it just looks like you're

1739
01:23:36,690 --> 01:23:34,390
posting you know [\h__\h] you found on the

1740
01:23:40,500 --> 01:23:36,700
internet right right and so it gets new

1741
01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:40,510
posts and it'll respond it'll like it'll

1742
01:23:44,550 --> 01:23:42,370
follow your friends it'll follow back

1743
01:23:47,610 --> 01:23:44,560
unfollow after a while like all that

1744
01:23:49,709 --> 01:23:47,620
type of stuff on all the platforms it'll

1745
01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:49,719
accept connection requests on on things

1746
01:23:54,850 --> 01:23:53,050
like Facebook and in LinkedIn for you on

1747
01:23:57,280 --> 01:23:54,860
both of them it sends out like

1748
01:23:59,320 --> 01:23:57,290
they happy birthdays to people and it

1749
01:24:00,790 --> 01:23:59,330
uses a syntax we're like each one is

1750
01:24:03,310 --> 01:24:00,800
kind of randomized but they all read

1751
01:24:05,140 --> 01:24:03,320
like good English but so they aren't

1752
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:05,150
just every time happy birthday name

1753
01:24:08,709 --> 01:24:07,130
right it's not like static so people

1754
01:24:11,050 --> 01:24:08,719
start to wonder every year like he's not

1755
01:24:13,209 --> 01:24:11,060
sending that that's a bot you know you

1756
01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:13,219
can program them and so I've got a few

1757
01:24:17,350 --> 01:24:14,690
accounts on basically every platform

1758
01:24:19,390 --> 01:24:17,360
that it runs for me just to kind of feel

1759
01:24:20,500 --> 01:24:19,400
it out and one of the Twitter accounts

1760
01:24:22,510 --> 01:24:20,510
I'm not gonna name it cuz I don't want

1761
01:24:24,609 --> 01:24:22,520
it to get out it has like 14,000

1762
01:24:27,459 --> 01:24:24,619
followers and is only following like 20

1763
01:24:30,010 --> 01:24:27,469
people you've got to be kidding me

1764
01:24:31,359 --> 01:24:30,020
no and I've tweeted from that account

1765
01:24:33,729 --> 01:24:31,369
like twice the software does all the

1766
01:24:35,890 --> 01:24:33,739
work you've got to be kidding

1767
01:24:38,260 --> 01:24:35,900
and and and I only spent like an hour

1768
01:24:38,979 --> 01:24:38,270
setting it up like two years ago I never

1769
01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:38,989
touched it

1770
01:24:44,470 --> 01:24:42,290
so these reset the password once I'm

1771
01:24:48,149 --> 01:24:44,480
sorry I did touch it once so these rooms

1772
01:24:51,459 --> 01:24:48,159
and I think most of us picture these

1773
01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:51,469
sockpuppet which the military has their

1774
01:24:56,620 --> 01:24:54,290
own sock puppet division don't fool

1775
01:24:59,709 --> 01:24:56,630
yourself on that they call it persona

1776
01:25:03,129 --> 01:24:59,719
management yet persona management and so

1777
01:25:08,020 --> 01:25:03,139
I picture an individual sitting there

1778
01:25:09,820 --> 01:25:08,030
creating manually these accounts and you

1779
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:09,830
know maybe eight or ten accounts and

1780
01:25:14,979 --> 01:25:12,530
they're out there manipulating and

1781
01:25:17,350 --> 01:25:14,989
fighting and arguing and trolling and

1782
01:25:20,020 --> 01:25:17,360
doing their things but that necessarily

1783
01:25:24,990 --> 01:25:20,030
may not be the case that hasn't been the

1784
01:25:29,470 --> 01:25:25,000
case for over a decade back in 2010 the

1785
01:25:32,169 --> 01:25:29,480
Air Force put out requests for bids to

1786
01:25:34,780 --> 01:25:32,179
military contractors you know through

1787
01:25:36,729 --> 01:25:34,790
their standard system so anyone you know

1788
01:25:39,310 --> 01:25:36,739
that had rights to that system could log

1789
01:25:41,410 --> 01:25:39,320
in and check it out and Booz Allen

1790
01:25:43,570 --> 01:25:41,420
Hamilton actually responded to one of

1791
01:25:45,580 --> 01:25:43,580
them Booz Allen Hamilton of course being

1792
01:25:50,439 --> 01:25:45,590
a military contractor you allowed to

1793
01:25:51,939 --> 01:25:50,449
have in say Booz Allen I mean I was

1794
01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:51,949
literally sitting in Bear Brown's

1795
01:25:55,870 --> 01:25:54,050
bedroom one day when he called the the

1796
01:25:57,729 --> 01:25:55,880
CEO and head of the board for Booz Allen

1797
01:25:59,260 --> 01:25:57,739
and was just yelling curse words at him

1798
01:26:01,240 --> 01:25:59,270
so I don't know I think we're friends

1799
01:26:03,609 --> 01:26:01,250
how's Barrett House Barrett these days

1800
01:26:05,950 --> 01:26:03,619
really quick I love him he's he's doing

1801
01:26:07,850 --> 01:26:05,960
good we still talk all the time he's

1802
01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:07,860
great he's great okay yeah

1803
01:26:13,460 --> 01:26:09,690
begone but you know it Booz Allen

1804
01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:13,470
Hamilton the the goal of the the request

1805
01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:15,330
for bid that they put out which was

1806
01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:17,370
leaked by the way the whole thing was

1807
01:26:25,790 --> 01:26:22,530
leaked by Barry Brown it was for the

1808
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:25,800
getting a military officer from the Air

1809
01:26:34,130 --> 01:26:29,850
Force the ability to manage up to 500

1810
01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:34,140
personas just one human being being able

1811
01:26:39,950 --> 01:26:37,050
to be 500 people and this was I believe

1812
01:26:41,660 --> 01:26:39,960
the RFP was written in like late Oh 8

1813
01:26:46,490 --> 01:26:41,670
early Oh 9 but it wasn't actually bid on

1814
01:26:49,250 --> 01:26:46,500
until like 2010 2011 but the the idea

1815
01:26:51,110 --> 01:26:49,260
being that if you read it it's really

1816
01:26:53,540 --> 01:26:51,120
cool actually like you know in a scary

1817
01:26:55,820 --> 01:26:53,550
scary scary kind of a way that they

1818
01:26:57,980 --> 01:26:55,830
wanted the software to be able to adapt

1819
01:27:00,620 --> 01:26:57,990
to colloquialisms so it needed a

1820
01:27:02,810 --> 01:27:00,630
database of how people talk in certain

1821
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:02,820
words from certain regions so you know

1822
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:04,890
people from Texas would say y'all every

1823
01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:06,930
now and then people outside of London

1824
01:27:12,470 --> 01:27:08,730
might call you a chav every now and then

1825
01:27:15,860 --> 01:27:12,480
it needed to have the ability to adapt

1826
01:27:18,740 --> 01:27:15,870
its language to the region of the earth

1827
01:27:20,530 --> 01:27:18,750
that the person was supposedly from it

1828
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:20,540
needed the ability to have a database of

1829
01:27:25,730 --> 01:27:23,370
most likely sports teams they would like

1830
01:27:27,080 --> 01:27:25,740
and automatically kind of have them talk

1831
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:27,090
about those sports teams when they do

1832
01:27:31,370 --> 01:27:29,250
good through signals that would be sent

1833
01:27:33,050 --> 01:27:31,380
into the system you know about you know

1834
01:27:34,220 --> 01:27:33,060
the New York Yankees did this so all

1835
01:27:36,650 --> 01:27:34,230
their New Yorkers you know say something

1836
01:27:39,980 --> 01:27:36,660
about it or go find the tweet but the

1837
01:27:43,160 --> 01:27:39,990
the end goal was having one person able

1838
01:27:47,620 --> 01:27:43,170
to control 500 people and when you read

1839
01:27:51,650 --> 01:27:47,630
their their actual reasoning behind it

1840
01:27:55,940 --> 01:27:51,660
they laid out a story in this freaking

1841
01:27:59,420 --> 01:27:55,950
request for bids about imagine if we had

1842
01:28:01,760 --> 01:27:59,430
this tool before going into Iraq the

1843
01:28:04,690 --> 01:28:01,770
second time we could have used it to

1844
01:28:06,770 --> 01:28:04,700
create a bunch of Iraqi citizens and

1845
01:28:09,770 --> 01:28:06,780
over a year

1846
01:28:12,050 --> 01:28:09,780
slowly convinced the online communities

1847
01:28:12,890 --> 01:28:12,060
that all of the Iraqis were in that we

1848
01:28:16,220 --> 01:28:12,900
were the good guys

1849
01:28:19,490 --> 01:28:16,230
by being Iraqis saying we were the good

1850
01:28:21,680 --> 01:28:19,500
guys and basically having our own army

1851
01:28:24,200 --> 01:28:21,690
of BOTS invite us to come in

1852
01:28:26,300 --> 01:28:24,210
the company or the country that that's

1853
01:28:28,040 --> 01:28:26,310
that's what the the request for bids was

1854
01:28:30,500 --> 01:28:28,050
using his justification for needing this

1855
01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:30,510
how many how many Twitter followers do

1856
01:28:36,050 --> 01:28:34,530
you have me I think it's like 83,000

1857
01:28:39,290 --> 01:28:36,060
somewhere around there how many of those

1858
01:28:42,290 --> 01:28:39,300
are bots I've no idea the last time I

1859
01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:42,300
ran a tool I went removed like 5,000 of

1860
01:28:47,180 --> 01:28:44,730
them right a year and a half ago or so

1861
01:28:51,410 --> 01:28:47,190
so alright are you concerned with it

1862
01:28:53,570 --> 01:28:51,420
I know I mean what do I care exactly

1863
01:28:56,470 --> 01:28:53,580
I run tools so I mean everyone on

1864
01:28:58,670 --> 01:28:56,480
Twitter should be running bot shield

1865
01:29:00,950 --> 01:28:58,680
it's just it's amazing

1866
01:29:03,439 --> 01:29:00,960
it's from bot Sentinel so you got a bot

1867
01:29:05,240 --> 01:29:03,449
Sentinel and it just it marks people

1868
01:29:07,250 --> 01:29:05,250
that it knows or outright controlled

1869
01:29:11,090 --> 01:29:07,260
BOTS others it marks with kind of a

1870
01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:11,100
range of untrustworthiness and you can

1871
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:12,330
see them because it literally changes

1872
01:29:15,350 --> 01:29:13,770
the color of their tweets so like it

1873
01:29:16,820 --> 01:29:15,360
really it's an extension for your

1874
01:29:19,910 --> 01:29:16,830
browser and it really changes things

1875
01:29:22,630 --> 01:29:19,920
now this bot software this pops up a

1876
01:29:26,020 --> 01:29:22,640
socket the software I've got 15 seconds

1877
01:29:28,250 --> 01:29:26,030
it can be set up to have a trolling

1878
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:28,260
personality too as well to just get

1879
01:29:33,680 --> 01:29:31,410
inside of your head I mean you you write

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the content for it so you write it in

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this specific syntax so it rewrites

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itself when it's going out different

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accounts and you can write whatever you

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want

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oh man that blows my mind let's take our

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break right here this is fade to black

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that is why right there Gregg Housh is

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our guest tonight

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this is fade to black I'm use to be

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Church on the game changer Network and K

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GRA the planet more with Greg after this

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[Music]

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way out here we listen to Jimmy Church

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you're listening to faint and black

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always on the edge of the hottest

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alternative talk chilly church with fade

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to black

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stay GRA radio.com you want to be an

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official fade or not of course you do

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this is Jimmy Church of fade to black

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with Jimmy Church on the game changer

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Network

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hi I'm Lisa Vance you're listening to me

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church this is revolution the revolution

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will not be televised the revolution is

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[Music]

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[Applause]

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welcome back fade to black I just had my

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complete world tipped upside down by

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Gregg Housh thank you for that Greg and

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I wanted to give a big shout out right

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now

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in the YouTube chat room to Murray

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Murray hello you are very special and

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01:35:07,370 --> 01:35:01,110
Murray is not a bot now this is this is

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01:35:12,500 --> 01:35:07,380
the thing I get and I see it on Facebook

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I'll get 30 or 40 friend requests a day

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my accounts been locked out for years

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right okay so so big deal but I see the

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requests that come in from people that

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have no friends now I mean no no friends

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with me right it would be zero you're

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not calling them losers you're saying

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they're probably BOTS right yeah I've

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often thought about that why would

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01:35:41,930 --> 01:35:39,450
somebody want to friend request me if we

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01:35:45,710 --> 01:35:41,940
don't have any mutual friends how do

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they possibly know who I am right now

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look my version of celebrity the

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01:35:54,830 --> 01:35:51,800
celebrity that is Jimmy Church is is

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ridiculously small right I have no

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illusions of my celebrity but and

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01:36:04,490 --> 01:36:00,840
certainly people there may be a few

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01:36:06,650 --> 01:36:04,500
people out there that would give me a

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friend request if we don't have mutual

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01:36:13,700 --> 01:36:10,860
friends and maybe but that I just I I

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01:36:16,820 --> 01:36:13,710
ignore that I don't think that's a real

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01:36:19,310 --> 01:36:16,830
possibility those 30 or 40 friend

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01:36:23,300 --> 01:36:19,320
requests that come in every single day

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01:36:26,600 --> 01:36:23,310
which I delete by the way they they're

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01:36:29,090 --> 01:36:26,610
probably just BOTS aren't they they are

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01:36:31,760 --> 01:36:29,100
I mean you know there's a few discovery

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methods used the tool I was talking

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about earlier the the best trick it has

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is you tell it to follow a hashtag on

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01:36:43,550 --> 01:36:41,700
you can do it on Facebook same as you

2012
01:36:45,410 --> 01:36:43,560
can on Twitter so on Facebook you'd say

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anything that you see posted on the

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timeline using the search box with this

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hashtag go and follow the person

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talked about it and then go and send

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friend requests to everyone who

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commented on it anyone who accepts the

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01:37:01,020 --> 01:36:59,260
friend request now look at their friends

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01:37:02,760 --> 01:37:01,030
list anyone whose privacy settings are

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01:37:04,860 --> 01:37:02,770
set in a way that you can see them send

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01:37:06,479 --> 01:37:04,870
them friend requests and it just starts

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01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:06,489
going down the chain trying to follow

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half of the damn platform that's one way

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01:37:15,180 --> 01:37:12,159
and that kind of automates it but it

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also helps you build a targeted audience

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of people who might have similar

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interests and boy if you build a

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01:37:24,959 --> 01:37:22,600
targeted audience of people who love the

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01:37:27,360 --> 01:37:24,969
beach you might be able to push Ray Ban

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01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:27,370
sunglasses on them you know they name

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they might buy from your amazon link so

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that's one reason it's done another

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01:37:39,540 --> 01:37:36,820
reason it's done is visibility you know

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with all these networks you Jimmy you

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01:37:42,720 --> 01:37:41,110
can post something that says only my

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01:37:44,100 --> 01:37:42,730
friends can see it well they want to

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make sure they have accounts that can

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01:37:52,200 --> 01:37:48,699
see it I was fascinated with you just

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01:37:55,260 --> 01:37:52,210
brought up Ray Ban right where I will

2041
01:37:57,450 --> 01:37:55,270
get these messages for Ray beds like

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01:37:59,580 --> 01:37:57,460
wait a minute every day I get a few

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01:38:02,130 --> 01:37:59,590
right right right it's like nobody's

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01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:02,140
selling rate Whitney I immediately just

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01:38:05,340 --> 01:38:04,330
block the account they're selling great

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01:38:06,750 --> 01:38:05,350
bands I mean they're fake they're

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01:38:11,120 --> 01:38:06,760
they're knock-offs but they are they're

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the the the manipulation of this once

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01:38:24,120 --> 01:38:20,620
they get out there and I'm talking about

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01:38:26,970 --> 01:38:24,130
these sock puppet bought accounts you

2051
01:38:28,950 --> 01:38:26,980
know that that are done in mass I had no

2052
01:38:30,899 --> 01:38:28,960
idea that of course it's done by

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01:38:35,340 --> 01:38:30,909
automation it just makes a lot of sense

2054
01:38:40,350 --> 01:38:35,350
and then the ability to manipulate the

2055
01:38:44,100 --> 01:38:40,360
account to like a a post of yours most

2056
01:38:47,130 --> 01:38:44,110
would think that that type of account

2057
01:38:50,520 --> 01:38:47,140
wouldn't be a bot if they're liking my

2058
01:38:54,149 --> 01:38:50,530
stuff but this is all done by automation

2059
01:38:57,410 --> 01:38:54,159
and that would in turn manipulate the

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mind wouldn't it it's it's fascinating

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01:39:02,050 --> 01:39:00,159
yeah I mean that's kind of the entire

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01:39:04,630 --> 01:39:02,060
point of it you can also right

2063
01:39:06,580 --> 01:39:04,640
you know since it's automated you don't

2064
01:39:09,700 --> 01:39:06,590
have to pay as much attention to it you

2065
01:39:13,180 --> 01:39:09,710
can build up these connections over time

2066
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so you can do all kinds of interesting

2067
01:39:18,040 --> 01:39:16,130
stuff like you know I can make a friend

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01:39:20,830 --> 01:39:18,050
account with you you know someone who

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01:39:22,030 --> 01:39:20,840
connects and then because you know we've

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01:39:24,610 --> 01:39:22,040
been connected for a year

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01:39:27,460 --> 01:39:24,620
someone will connect to me they'll show

2072
01:39:29,410 --> 01:39:27,470
is mutual with you and then over time I

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01:39:31,120 --> 01:39:29,420
might end up because you trusted me

2074
01:39:33,820 --> 01:39:31,130
initially because whatever initial

2075
01:39:35,950 --> 01:39:33,830
contact we had be it on a thread or one

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01:39:37,960 --> 01:39:35,960
of your other friends now suddenly I

2077
01:39:41,080 --> 01:39:37,970
have 20 people that are connected to you

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01:39:43,480 --> 01:39:41,090
because you saw all the Mutual's I must

2079
01:39:44,860 --> 01:39:43,490
know this guy and that trigger really

2080
01:39:47,080 --> 01:39:44,870
works with people like if I have 10

2081
01:39:48,730 --> 01:39:47,090
Mutual's I'm probably gonna just accept

2082
01:39:51,790 --> 01:39:48,740
because I know you I'm sure I'm just not

2083
01:39:54,310 --> 01:39:51,800
remembering you right right and and they

2084
01:39:56,080 --> 01:39:54,320
use that to then peddle influence

2085
01:39:57,250 --> 01:39:56,090
they'll they'll go into your your chat

2086
01:39:59,650 --> 01:39:57,260
and don't start having conversations

2087
01:40:01,810 --> 01:39:59,660
with each other you'll post a link with

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01:40:04,030 --> 01:40:01,820
your opinion about said news article and

2089
01:40:06,430 --> 01:40:04,040
then one of them will post something

2090
01:40:08,710 --> 01:40:06,440
kind of incendiary and then others will

2091
01:40:10,030 --> 01:40:08,720
argue with them from your point you'll

2092
01:40:11,950 --> 01:40:10,040
agree with them and you'll be better

2093
01:40:13,210 --> 01:40:11,960
friends and and so you'll have these

2094
01:40:15,790 --> 01:40:13,220
BOTS that are actually having

2095
01:40:17,560 --> 01:40:15,800
conversations in your comments to make

2096
01:40:20,470 --> 01:40:17,570
you better friends with one of the

2097
01:40:23,620 --> 01:40:20,480
specific bots like they do all kinds of

2098
01:40:28,770 --> 01:40:23,630
crazy stuff and it's all automated like

2099
01:40:33,640 --> 01:40:28,780
all of it and now it's one thing to

2100
01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:33,650
imagine these being used for political

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01:40:43,540 --> 01:40:39,610
means Society pop culture to sway

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opinion and to go in and and to start a

2103
01:40:50,580 --> 01:40:46,820
dialogue which you engage in then it's

2104
01:40:55,420 --> 01:40:50,590
another thing altogether to know that

2105
01:40:58,990 --> 01:40:55,430
the the military agencies and others out

2106
01:41:03,190 --> 01:40:59,000
there understand this and are using it

2107
01:41:04,720 --> 01:41:03,200
to control the masses right well you

2108
01:41:06,850 --> 01:41:04,730
know one of the funnier things about the

2109
01:41:08,830 --> 01:41:06,860
story I told earlier with the the Air

2110
01:41:11,590 --> 01:41:08,840
Force actually asking for persona

2111
01:41:14,320 --> 01:41:11,600
management software right is that the

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01:41:15,700 --> 01:41:14,330
only proof we had was a piece of a

2113
01:41:17,910 --> 01:41:15,710
request for bid

2114
01:41:20,140 --> 01:41:17,920
that we shouldn't have had access for

2115
01:41:22,180 --> 01:41:20,150
that was them asking for software that

2116
01:41:24,580 --> 01:41:22,190
they have no right to actually have our

2117
01:41:26,650 --> 01:41:24,590
control it's definitely not software

2118
01:41:28,330 --> 01:41:26,660
that they you know Congress would have

2119
01:41:29,950 --> 01:41:28,340
to come in and do some at some serious

2120
01:41:33,670 --> 01:41:29,960
work for them to be allowed to do what

2121
01:41:34,959 --> 01:41:33,680
they were talking about doing so the the

2122
01:41:36,280 --> 01:41:34,969
air force could have put out a statement

2123
01:41:37,900 --> 01:41:36,290
like we don't know what they're talking

2124
01:41:41,650 --> 01:41:37,910
about they they typed that up on a

2125
01:41:44,200 --> 01:41:41,660
typewriter instead the next day they put

2126
01:41:47,320 --> 01:41:44,210
out a press release saying while we did

2127
01:41:50,020 --> 01:41:47,330
write that request for bids we ended up

2128
01:41:51,610 --> 01:41:50,030
not going with anyone in not doing it

2129
01:41:53,800 --> 01:41:51,620
because we weren't we weren't supposed

2130
01:41:55,660 --> 01:41:53,810
to do it basically I mean they they said

2131
01:41:59,050 --> 01:41:55,670
we wrote that but we didn't actually

2132
01:42:01,120 --> 01:41:59,060
follow through like they've indicated us

2133
01:42:03,010 --> 01:42:01,130
like they'd they made what we had said

2134
01:42:05,200 --> 01:42:03,020
and the document we had put out real

2135
01:42:06,910 --> 01:42:05,210
simply by putting out that press release

2136
01:42:09,310 --> 01:42:06,920
and it always blew my mind that they did

2137
01:42:12,100 --> 01:42:09,320
that because there was no reason for

2138
01:42:14,709 --> 01:42:12,110
them to admit that it was real are there

2139
01:42:18,459 --> 01:42:14,719
there mustard you know I'm answering my

2140
01:42:23,260 --> 01:42:18,469
own question but there must be there has

2141
01:42:27,100 --> 01:42:23,270
to be boiler rooms in in cities across

2142
01:42:29,830 --> 01:42:27,110
this country where employees go of the

2143
01:42:33,760 --> 01:42:29,840
government go in and sit down at a

2144
01:42:37,750 --> 01:42:33,770
terminal and fire up their day's agenda

2145
01:42:41,440 --> 01:42:37,760
of communicating through these persona

2146
01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:41,450
accounts yeah you know I don't know

2147
01:42:44,979 --> 01:42:43,610
which offices here do it you know

2148
01:42:48,209 --> 01:42:44,989
specifically but you know it would be

2149
01:42:51,970 --> 01:42:48,219
the FBI CIA people like that military I

2150
01:42:53,680 --> 01:42:51,980
mean in in Russia we know the GRU is is

2151
01:42:56,830 --> 01:42:53,690
who's in control of a lot of their stuff

2152
01:42:59,380 --> 01:42:56,840
you know the the modern you know KGB and

2153
01:43:01,900 --> 01:42:59,390
in Germany we know it's the FSB that

2154
01:43:04,030 --> 01:43:01,910
control a couple of their what what I

2155
01:43:05,530 --> 01:43:04,040
referred to as internet troll farms but

2156
01:43:07,660 --> 01:43:05,540
they're not troll farms I mean these are

2157
01:43:10,479 --> 01:43:07,670
influence machines they they are

2158
01:43:14,229 --> 01:43:10,489
manufacturing consent to a quote Noam

2159
01:43:18,340 --> 01:43:14,239
Chomsky there well the I saw a recent

2160
01:43:22,270 --> 01:43:18,350
documentary and I forget what country

2161
01:43:26,379 --> 01:43:22,280
they went to in Africa but it it was in

2162
01:43:31,089 --> 01:43:26,389
Africa where they went and chased down

2163
01:43:34,359 --> 01:43:31,099
a troll farm that was being funded out

2164
01:43:38,139 --> 01:43:34,369
of Russia and they went and and and

2165
01:43:41,379 --> 01:43:38,149
spoke to the employees there at this 12

2166
01:43:46,029 --> 01:43:41,389
farm it that part of it I understand

2167
01:43:49,899 --> 01:43:46,039
that this goes on it was the group that

2168
01:43:53,139 --> 01:43:49,909
was created on Facebook made to look

2169
01:43:55,629 --> 01:43:53,149
like it was running out of a city in the

2170
01:44:00,040 --> 01:43:55,639
United States the subject matter doesn't

2171
01:44:04,270 --> 01:44:00,050
matter but all of it was done remotely

2172
01:44:07,569 --> 01:44:04,280
out of Africa completely with the image

2173
01:44:10,120 --> 01:44:07,579
of a Facebook group that was based out

2174
01:44:13,989 --> 01:44:10,130
of and pick an American city right

2175
01:44:16,299 --> 01:44:13,999
Cincinnati and that was frightening to

2176
01:44:18,850 --> 01:44:16,309
me that nobody that was participating in

2177
01:44:22,270 --> 01:44:18,860
this group had any idea that the

2178
01:44:25,989 --> 01:44:22,280
influence was coming out of Russia based

2179
01:44:28,750 --> 01:44:25,999
out of a country in Africa but this was

2180
01:44:32,139 --> 01:44:28,760
a localized group in a city in the

2181
01:44:35,709 --> 01:44:32,149
United States and it's all easy to do it

2182
01:44:38,169 --> 01:44:35,719
is completely cheap you don't have to

2183
01:44:40,629 --> 01:44:38,179
yeah I is making it better and better I

2184
01:44:44,049 --> 01:44:40,639
mean if you want to look at some really

2185
01:44:46,719 --> 01:44:44,059
interesting photos go to generated dot

2186
01:44:49,830 --> 01:44:46,729
photos not calm not on that just

2187
01:44:53,379 --> 01:44:49,840
generated dot photos it's a hundred

2188
01:44:56,620 --> 01:44:53,389
thousand photos of people's faces

2189
01:44:58,479 --> 01:44:56,630
headshots that I'd say ninety thousand

2190
01:44:59,949 --> 01:44:58,489
of them look absolutely real and you

2191
01:45:02,290 --> 01:44:59,959
can't tell it's not a real human being

2192
01:45:04,989 --> 01:45:02,300
that AI completely generated from

2193
01:45:07,659 --> 01:45:04,999
scratch those aren't photos at all now

2194
01:45:09,939 --> 01:45:07,669
and the bot systems use those to make

2195
01:45:12,159 --> 01:45:09,949
their avatars so when they build out in

2196
01:45:14,229 --> 01:45:12,169
that city let's say Cincinnati they can

2197
01:45:16,479 --> 01:45:14,239
build you know twenty thousand people's

2198
01:45:18,159 --> 01:45:16,489
faces that will look like they belong

2199
01:45:21,009 --> 01:45:18,169
there that that you know have you know

2200
01:45:23,589 --> 01:45:21,019
very specific ethnicities and in kind of

2201
01:45:25,359 --> 01:45:23,599
even classes like you can tell like that

2202
01:45:27,609 --> 01:45:25,369
person looks a little poorer than that

2203
01:45:29,139 --> 01:45:27,619
person who I believe probably drove here

2204
01:45:30,729 --> 01:45:29,149
in a Porsche like you know they can

2205
01:45:33,520 --> 01:45:30,739
build them out even based on that kind

2206
01:45:36,279 --> 01:45:33,530
of data and build out these personas so

2207
01:45:40,350 --> 01:45:36,289
even a lot of the photos related to this

2208
01:45:44,320 --> 01:45:40,360
stuff are completely faked the

2209
01:45:47,860 --> 01:45:44,330
the like that somebody just posted up

2210
01:45:51,100 --> 01:45:47,870
here in Twitter Trump's Twitter account

2211
01:45:53,880 --> 01:45:51,110
and out of the I have no idea how many

2212
01:45:56,170 --> 01:45:53,890
millions of followers that he has on

2213
01:45:58,330 --> 01:45:56,180
real donald trump or whatever that

2214
01:46:02,050 --> 01:45:58,340
account is but it makes you wonder how

2215
01:46:06,120 --> 01:46:02,060
many are bots that are followers there a

2216
01:46:09,850 --> 01:46:06,130
lot I would say makes you wonder right

2217
01:46:12,130 --> 01:46:09,860
and and and how they so cheap and easy

2218
01:46:15,130 --> 01:46:12,140
to do at this point I mean you know the

2219
01:46:17,260 --> 01:46:15,140
the influence-peddling is already going

2220
01:46:19,180 --> 01:46:17,270
on in other places so you don't have to

2221
01:46:21,310 --> 01:46:19,190
do much work to kind of convert it to

2222
01:46:23,500 --> 01:46:21,320
this let's let's say you're Russia and

2223
01:46:25,720 --> 01:46:23,510
you have a specific interest in a

2224
01:46:30,250 --> 01:46:25,730
specific type of business working well

2225
01:46:31,900 --> 01:46:30,260
in an area outside of Cincinnati and you

2226
01:46:33,610 --> 01:46:31,910
need the population to kind of go along

2227
01:46:35,290 --> 01:46:33,620
with it well creating a Facebook group

2228
01:46:37,780 --> 01:46:35,300
creating some Twitter accounts creating

2229
01:46:40,210 --> 01:46:37,790
a lot of locals who are all about this

2230
01:46:42,850 --> 01:46:40,220
and talking positively and arguing the

2231
01:46:45,100 --> 01:46:42,860
right points is a good way to make the

2232
01:46:47,200 --> 01:46:45,110
population they're happy about whatever

2233
01:46:51,130 --> 01:46:47,210
business interest you had going on there

2234
01:46:52,480 --> 01:46:51,140
it it makes you wonder and those

2235
01:46:54,190 --> 01:46:52,490
business interests usually end up

2236
01:46:55,660 --> 01:46:54,200
actually being political interests but

2237
01:47:00,220 --> 01:46:55,670
you know what I mean yeah that's right

2238
01:47:03,970 --> 01:47:00,230
and forget about having spies now from

2239
01:47:06,550 --> 01:47:03,980
from the east right from behind the Iron

2240
01:47:10,900 --> 01:47:06,560
Curtain that that's a waste of money

2241
01:47:14,380 --> 01:47:10,910
isn't it it's certainly Putin at China

2242
01:47:17,110 --> 01:47:14,390
it doesn't matter you pick Iran they

2243
01:47:19,780 --> 01:47:17,120
understand how easy it is to infiltrate

2244
01:47:22,720 --> 01:47:19,790
the United States now and it's not with

2245
01:47:24,970 --> 01:47:22,730
somebody that's got a pulse right you

2246
01:47:26,890 --> 01:47:24,980
would do it completely there's companies

2247
01:47:29,200 --> 01:47:26,900
out there that are private that sell

2248
01:47:30,460 --> 01:47:29,210
into the military sectors and sell into

2249
01:47:33,880 --> 01:47:30,470
the government sectors

2250
01:47:36,370 --> 01:47:33,890
you know exploits for software for

2251
01:47:39,600 --> 01:47:36,380
hardware one that's in the news right

2252
01:47:42,430 --> 01:47:39,610
now is uh has been NSO group they're uh

2253
01:47:45,760 --> 01:47:42,440
they're a group that develop and/or

2254
01:47:47,290 --> 01:47:45,770
purchase zero-day exploits meaning these

2255
01:47:48,760 --> 01:47:47,300
things aren't public and the company

2256
01:47:51,220 --> 01:47:48,770
doesn't know about this hole in their

2257
01:47:53,530 --> 01:47:51,230
software either and then they will

2258
01:47:56,380 --> 01:47:53,540
package them up in ways that can be used

2259
01:47:58,600 --> 01:47:56,390
for basically spying or infecting

2260
01:47:59,890 --> 01:47:58,610
machines or tracking people and then

2261
01:48:02,200 --> 01:47:59,900
they will sell them the government's for

2262
01:48:03,610 --> 01:48:02,210
millions of dollars but I mean when you

2263
01:48:05,140 --> 01:48:03,620
actually start to do the math you know a

2264
01:48:07,330 --> 01:48:05,150
two million dollar purchase of an

2265
01:48:09,610 --> 01:48:07,340
exploit that'll get you five targets

2266
01:48:11,770 --> 01:48:09,620
usually ends up being cheaper than the

2267
01:48:14,350 --> 01:48:11,780
hundred or so people it actually takes

2268
01:48:17,410 --> 01:48:14,360
to keep one good solid agent out in the

2269
01:48:19,930 --> 01:48:17,420
field you know it ends up being cheaper

2270
01:48:22,360 --> 01:48:19,940
at that price the exploit only works for

2271
01:48:26,200 --> 01:48:22,370
six months but what is a zero day

2272
01:48:28,030 --> 01:48:26,210
exploit zero day really is it's an older

2273
01:48:30,640 --> 01:48:28,040
term and it just means that it's it's

2274
01:48:32,980 --> 01:48:30,650
been public for zero days this means

2275
01:48:34,900 --> 01:48:32,990
it's not posted nobody knows about it

2276
01:48:37,900 --> 01:48:34,910
the company doesn't know about it the

2277
01:48:40,210 --> 01:48:37,910
person who discovered this hole on this

2278
01:48:42,880 --> 01:48:40,220
piece of software let's say it's you

2279
01:48:44,950 --> 01:48:42,890
know a specific app on your phone and

2280
01:48:47,710 --> 01:48:44,960
when I when you when I get you to visit

2281
01:48:50,110 --> 01:48:47,720
a website it is able to take control of

2282
01:48:52,060 --> 01:48:50,120
that app install an extra little piece

2283
01:48:54,820 --> 01:48:52,070
and then suddenly I'm listening to all

2284
01:48:57,790 --> 01:48:54,830
your whatsapp calls that's a zero day

2285
01:48:59,680 --> 01:48:57,800
exploit or you know might be one that

2286
01:49:01,540 --> 01:48:59,690
that's the one that's currently having

2287
01:49:04,750 --> 01:49:01,550
problems in court here in America with

2288
01:49:07,870 --> 01:49:04,760
whatsapp versus NSO group whatsapp is

2289
01:49:10,540 --> 01:49:07,880
trying to convince the courts that NSO

2290
01:49:12,430 --> 01:49:10,550
group did some of its work on American

2291
01:49:14,680 --> 01:49:12,440
soil so they can then take them to court

2292
01:49:16,930 --> 01:49:14,690
in America they're trying to you know

2293
01:49:18,910 --> 01:49:16,940
get that done NSO group says we're not

2294
01:49:21,820 --> 01:49:18,920
from there you can't you get Suez in

2295
01:49:25,000 --> 01:49:21,830
America you know but you know the zero

2296
01:49:26,530 --> 01:49:25,010
day is really just some some hacker out

2297
01:49:29,080 --> 01:49:26,540
there finds a hole in a piece of

2298
01:49:31,720 --> 01:49:29,090
software he could be some altruistic you

2299
01:49:33,880 --> 01:49:31,730
know genius who isn't out for money in

2300
01:49:36,550 --> 01:49:33,890
profit and doesn't doesn't need to make

2301
01:49:38,740 --> 01:49:36,560
a house payment and he goes straight to

2302
01:49:40,780 --> 01:49:38,750
what's out to Facebook and says I found

2303
01:49:42,760 --> 01:49:40,790
this whole Facebook are gonna pay him

2304
01:49:45,250 --> 01:49:42,770
twenty to fifty thousand dollars for a

2305
01:49:47,320 --> 01:49:45,260
hold that that bad and ISO group will

2306
01:49:54,190 --> 01:49:47,330
give him a million for it who's he gonna

2307
01:49:59,250 --> 01:49:54,200
sell it to the the idea of bots and

2308
01:50:03,190 --> 01:49:59,260
persona programs would indicate to me a

2309
01:50:04,220 --> 01:50:03,200
project Mockingbird a modern-day version

2310
01:50:07,100 --> 01:50:04,230
of that

2311
01:50:11,680 --> 01:50:07,110
we're project Mockingbird for the CIA

2312
01:50:14,840 --> 01:50:11,690
was putting physical reporters and and

2313
01:50:17,000 --> 01:50:14,850
newscasters at different newspapers and

2314
01:50:21,380 --> 01:50:17,010
news organizations and media outlets

2315
01:50:26,530 --> 01:50:21,390
across the country to control what was

2316
01:50:30,520 --> 01:50:26,540
being put out there in the media today

2317
01:50:33,740 --> 01:50:30,530
that the same version of that would be

2318
01:50:37,150 --> 01:50:33,750
controlling social media through a

2319
01:50:40,550 --> 01:50:37,160
massive persona and bod program right

2320
01:50:42,770 --> 01:50:40,560
yeah I mean Twitter is a great example

2321
01:50:45,470 --> 01:50:42,780
of that you know you'll see something

2322
01:50:47,750 --> 01:50:45,480
come up in trending out of nowhere like

2323
01:50:49,430 --> 01:50:47,760
the first tweet was ten minutes ago and

2324
01:50:51,260 --> 01:50:49,440
suddenly there's 50,000 and it's the

2325
01:50:54,770 --> 01:50:51,270
number one trending thing in this

2326
01:50:56,300 --> 01:50:54,780
specific city that's not that normal

2327
01:50:58,610 --> 01:50:56,310
that's not normally how that goes and

2328
01:51:00,590 --> 01:50:58,620
normally takes a few hours had to happen

2329
01:51:04,040 --> 01:51:00,600
and instantly you're looking at the

2330
01:51:06,380 --> 01:51:04,050
accounts half of them don't have photos

2331
01:51:08,600 --> 01:51:06,390
the other half you know have had

2332
01:51:10,280 --> 01:51:08,610
accounts for two months and you soon

2333
01:51:12,800 --> 01:51:10,290
know you know this is some country with

2334
01:51:14,390 --> 01:51:12,810
a well unidentifiable botnet so they're

2335
01:51:16,220 --> 01:51:14,400
not doing that well but then you also

2336
01:51:18,020 --> 01:51:16,230
can think back to the ones you couldn't

2337
01:51:20,960 --> 01:51:18,030
identify we're probably also just

2338
01:51:22,700 --> 01:51:20,970
countries doing it too and you know that

2339
01:51:24,080 --> 01:51:22,710
that influence is big because they could

2340
01:51:26,840 --> 01:51:24,090
get something trending that is like

2341
01:51:29,150 --> 01:51:26,850
literally targeted ad another specific

2342
01:51:32,180 --> 01:51:29,160
world leader or an entertainer someone

2343
01:51:34,160 --> 01:51:32,190
in media someone in the news you know

2344
01:51:36,200 --> 01:51:34,170
with with canceled culture these days

2345
01:51:39,170 --> 01:51:36,210
which sometimes is right sometimes that

2346
01:51:41,060 --> 01:51:39,180
person needs to go the [\h__\h] away excuse

2347
01:51:43,400 --> 01:51:41,070
my language

2348
01:51:46,760 --> 01:51:43,410
but with that you know these botnets

2349
01:51:50,600 --> 01:51:46,770
have a power and and sometimes they use

2350
01:51:53,660 --> 01:51:50,610
it and sometimes it's for real bad you

2351
01:51:55,150 --> 01:51:53,670
know government on on people stuff and

2352
01:51:58,160 --> 01:51:55,160
sometimes it's just

2353
01:52:02,660 --> 01:51:58,170
strangely used to control narratives

2354
01:52:04,430 --> 01:52:02,670
shutting up journalists by changing the

2355
01:52:05,750 --> 01:52:04,440
narrative and in kind of the

2356
01:52:09,430 --> 01:52:05,760
conversation around that specific

2357
01:52:12,750 --> 01:52:09,440
journalists now I have seen pictures of

2358
01:52:19,640 --> 01:52:15,510
how do I say this

2359
01:52:24,540 --> 01:52:19,650
difference what's the word I want to use

2360
01:52:29,550 --> 01:52:24,550
where I have seen racks rooms to the

2361
01:52:31,950 --> 01:52:29,560
ceiling full of cellphones right to the

2362
01:52:33,570 --> 01:52:31,960
ceilings all the way back different

2363
01:52:38,270 --> 01:52:33,580
countries around the world there is in

2364
01:52:43,170 --> 01:52:38,280
one country that doesn't do this but to

2365
01:52:46,740 --> 01:52:43,180
not only create personas but to go and

2366
01:52:50,460 --> 01:52:46,750
actively participate in Twitter and and

2367
01:52:55,500 --> 01:52:50,470
Facebook and is this also happening with

2368
01:52:57,120 --> 01:52:55,510
YouTube yeah I mean the same software I

2369
01:52:59,790 --> 01:52:57,130
mentioned earlier will control YouTube

2370
01:53:01,590 --> 01:52:59,800
accounts the I mean just as easy I just

2371
01:53:02,910 --> 01:53:01,600
have to go and add one I haven't played

2372
01:53:07,470 --> 01:53:02,920
with it yet but it's got all the same

2373
01:53:10,500 --> 01:53:07,480
options right and what what's the what's

2374
01:53:14,370 --> 01:53:10,510
the purpose of this there is and what I

2375
01:53:17,160 --> 01:53:14,380
mean by that is there is a hard expense

2376
01:53:19,110 --> 01:53:17,170
involved with all of these cellphones

2377
01:53:21,240 --> 01:53:19,120
then you have the wiring you have the

2378
01:53:26,430 --> 01:53:21,250
matrix and the logistics that has to go

2379
01:53:28,110 --> 01:53:26,440
in to put together a room that is doing

2380
01:53:30,600 --> 01:53:28,120
this and these rooms are volumous

2381
01:53:33,390 --> 01:53:30,610
they're huge with there are a few

2382
01:53:36,300 --> 01:53:33,400
reasons for it no money right actually

2383
01:53:38,310 --> 01:53:36,310
come down to the technology that the

2384
01:53:40,380 --> 01:53:38,320
companies themselves like a Facebook

2385
01:53:43,170 --> 01:53:40,390
like a Twitter have implemented to catch

2386
01:53:45,350 --> 01:53:43,180
bot farms and to catch people you know

2387
01:53:48,390 --> 01:53:45,360
using tools like the one I mentioned

2388
01:53:50,340 --> 01:53:48,400
once they all have unique individual

2389
01:53:52,560 --> 01:53:50,350
phones with unique IDs and they're all

2390
01:53:54,900 --> 01:53:52,570
connecting up to you know cellular

2391
01:53:57,540 --> 01:53:54,910
networks getting different IP addresses

2392
01:54:00,930 --> 01:53:57,550
it starts to become much harder to

2393
01:54:02,490 --> 01:54:00,940
identify it as a network whereas if

2394
01:54:05,220 --> 01:54:02,500
they're all coming from you know two

2395
01:54:06,630 --> 01:54:05,230
servers sitting in a server rack well

2396
01:54:09,060 --> 01:54:06,640
then you've got to do all kinds of other

2397
01:54:11,910 --> 01:54:09,070
manipulation that a lot of times it

2398
01:54:14,040 --> 01:54:11,920
falls apart or is in some way

2399
01:54:15,450 --> 01:54:14,050
identifiable to people like Twitter or

2400
01:54:17,550 --> 01:54:15,460
Facebook because they've got enough

2401
01:54:20,490 --> 01:54:17,560
money on their end to be fighting you

2402
01:54:22,440 --> 01:54:20,500
and how strongly they're fighting you

2403
01:54:24,150 --> 01:54:22,450
you know who knows that's you know I'm

2404
01:54:25,050 --> 01:54:24,160
not building their tools but I've

2405
01:54:26,940 --> 01:54:25,060
definitely watch

2406
01:54:29,160 --> 01:54:26,950
lots of BOTS get caught and get

2407
01:54:31,140 --> 01:54:29,170
destroyed so I know they have some

2408
01:54:33,570 --> 01:54:31,150
functionality so you do it on phones

2409
01:54:36,320 --> 01:54:33,580
because when I connect up to Twitter

2410
01:54:40,050 --> 01:54:36,330
with the Twitter app that they wrote

2411
01:54:41,790 --> 01:54:40,060
that seems a lot more real than my bot

2412
01:54:43,680 --> 01:54:41,800
software that's manipulating a web

2413
01:54:46,170 --> 01:54:43,690
browser and that's right

2414
01:54:49,710 --> 01:54:46,180
so it's an IP address that's going to be

2415
01:54:53,130 --> 01:54:49,720
different number one and number two you

2416
01:54:56,490 --> 01:54:53,140
have to if you're going to impersonate

2417
01:55:01,650 --> 01:54:56,500
and create a bot account then you have

2418
01:55:03,960 --> 01:55:01,660
the callback the text with the write

2419
01:55:06,060 --> 01:55:03,970
with the individual factor stuff which

2420
01:55:07,980 --> 01:55:06,070
you can write it on phones right and

2421
01:55:10,050 --> 01:55:07,990
you've got other stuff to like I mean

2422
01:55:11,610 --> 01:55:10,060
having different phone models is even

2423
01:55:14,220 --> 01:55:11,620
important because they can tell that

2424
01:55:15,540 --> 01:55:14,230
type of stuff so like on on the software

2425
01:55:18,360 --> 01:55:15,550
that I play around with I can actually

2426
01:55:21,600 --> 01:55:18,370
choose which version of an Android phone

2427
01:55:23,670 --> 01:55:21,610
it identifies as as it's playing around

2428
01:55:25,680 --> 01:55:23,680
on Instagram I can tell it well that

2429
01:55:27,930 --> 01:55:25,690
phone's a ZTE phone that phones a

2430
01:55:28,950 --> 01:55:27,940
Samsung phone even though they aren't

2431
01:55:30,870 --> 01:55:28,960
phones at all they're just you know

2432
01:55:33,680 --> 01:55:30,880
lines and basically what looks like a

2433
01:55:37,080 --> 01:55:33,690
spreadsheet that's incredible that's

2434
01:55:42,230 --> 01:55:37,090
incredible I mean model the year the

2435
01:55:45,660 --> 01:55:44,130
there's a people out there right now

2436
01:55:51,180 --> 01:55:45,670
there to go in church come on you can't

2437
01:55:53,490 --> 01:55:51,190
be this naive right but in order to set

2438
01:55:55,020 --> 01:55:53,500
anything like this up you would have to

2439
01:55:57,660 --> 01:55:55,030
be able to do that because you can't

2440
01:55:59,310 --> 01:55:57,670
look like one single individual that's

2441
01:56:02,100 --> 01:55:59,320
running the software sitting at one

2442
01:56:05,460 --> 01:56:02,110
terminal one computer you can't look

2443
01:56:09,780 --> 01:56:05,470
like that you have to have different

2444
01:56:11,670 --> 01:56:09,790
phones different IP addresses and the

2445
01:56:13,760 --> 01:56:11,680
other part about this you mentioned this

2446
01:56:19,260 --> 01:56:13,770
earlier I don't want to let this escape

2447
01:56:24,270 --> 01:56:19,270
you have to go and pull images right you

2448
01:56:28,070 --> 01:56:24,280
have to have an image nobody wants to be

2449
01:56:34,860 --> 01:56:31,770
Twitter image with without a photograph

2450
01:56:38,220 --> 01:56:34,870
of yourself so where do the images come

2451
01:56:40,110 --> 01:56:38,230
from Greg and if it's Facebook and

2452
01:56:41,940 --> 01:56:40,120
you're setting up this account you have

2453
01:56:44,040 --> 01:56:41,950
to have pictures of your dogs and your

2454
01:56:47,370 --> 01:56:44,050
puppies and your kids where does all of

2455
01:56:48,810 --> 01:56:47,380
this come from it really depends I mean

2456
01:56:51,750 --> 01:56:48,820
one of the one of the more interesting

2457
01:56:54,900 --> 01:56:51,760
tools I saw a few years ago that one of

2458
01:56:57,690 --> 01:56:54,910
the countries was using I was told it

2459
01:56:59,370 --> 01:56:57,700
was one of Israel's tools they could

2460
01:57:03,810 --> 01:56:59,380
actually feed in lists of people's

2461
01:57:07,170 --> 01:57:03,820
accounts that had passed away and they

2462
01:57:10,050 --> 01:57:07,180
were scraping their accounts for all

2463
01:57:12,300 --> 01:57:10,060
their data and then building up BOTS in

2464
01:57:15,630 --> 01:57:12,310
complete other cities other countries

2465
01:57:17,570 --> 01:57:15,640
with with enough of the imager that

2466
01:57:20,100 --> 01:57:17,580
didn't you know someone's backyard

2467
01:57:21,480 --> 01:57:20,110
probably you know nine times out of ten

2468
01:57:23,550 --> 01:57:21,490
isn't going to show you where they live

2469
01:57:25,500 --> 01:57:23,560
it's not gonna have the water tower with

2470
01:57:26,910 --> 01:57:25,510
the name in it you know most people who

2471
01:57:30,180 --> 01:57:26,920
take photographs aren't you know

2472
01:57:31,890 --> 01:57:30,190
Hollywood masters who are doing good set

2473
01:57:34,560 --> 01:57:31,900
up shots with identifying you know

2474
01:57:37,320 --> 01:57:34,570
information in the background right so a

2475
01:57:39,270 --> 01:57:37,330
lot of photos do not identify enough to

2476
01:57:41,160 --> 01:57:39,280
make it really traceable so they had a

2477
01:57:42,450 --> 01:57:41,170
system that would go out and gather all

2478
01:57:43,950 --> 01:57:42,460
the personal information off of that

2479
01:57:46,290 --> 01:57:43,960
account grab all their photos all their

2480
01:57:48,000 --> 01:57:46,300
everything and then kind of remix it a

2481
01:57:50,250 --> 01:57:48,010
little and then put it up in another

2482
01:57:52,950 --> 01:57:50,260
city and say this is a person who just

2483
01:57:55,800 --> 01:57:52,960
moved to that city and because that

2484
01:57:57,690 --> 01:57:55,810
person was now also passed away that

2485
01:57:59,670 --> 01:57:57,700
person wasn't going to see themselves in

2486
01:58:02,490 --> 01:57:59,680
another city and say hey what the you

2487
01:58:03,990 --> 01:58:02,500
know yeah maybe a family member might

2488
01:58:07,620 --> 01:58:04,000
but then you can just say who do you

2489
01:58:09,780 --> 01:58:07,630
think you are you know I had read I'm

2490
01:58:15,000 --> 01:58:09,790
not sure if it was on Vice or you know

2491
01:58:19,670 --> 01:58:15,010
mother but I read a story that was about

2492
01:58:24,410 --> 01:58:19,680
this where somebody had their complete

2493
01:58:27,270 --> 01:58:24,420
history photographs post and things

2494
01:58:30,330 --> 01:58:27,280
created as another account with another

2495
01:58:32,460 --> 01:58:30,340
name but everything that was there the

2496
01:58:37,410 --> 01:58:32,470
photographs the parties the families

2497
01:58:39,939 --> 01:58:37,420
everything that was listed in this you

2498
01:58:43,149 --> 01:58:39,949
know photo album in facebook was

2499
01:58:46,390 --> 01:58:43,159
of lifted from another Facebook account

2500
01:58:48,370 --> 01:58:46,400
and it would this was a bot account but

2501
01:58:50,919 --> 01:58:48,380
this person happened to catch it and

2502
01:58:53,500 --> 01:58:50,929
they caught it because another friend at

2503
01:58:55,479 --> 01:58:53,510
what were the odds right what were yards

2504
01:58:58,959 --> 01:58:55,489
somebody happened to see this picture of

2505
01:59:02,350 --> 01:58:58,969
them together in Las Vegas but it wasn't

2506
01:59:04,120 --> 01:59:02,360
them it was somebody else and they

2507
01:59:07,750 --> 01:59:04,130
happen to go and look at other than that

2508
01:59:10,239 --> 01:59:07,760
this would have gone unnoticed yeah and

2509
01:59:11,949 --> 01:59:10,249
I mean it's it's easy to do what one of

2510
01:59:15,009 --> 01:59:11,959
the other tools that I have access to

2511
01:59:18,069 --> 01:59:15,019
will go through and it'll actually if

2512
01:59:20,890 --> 01:59:18,079
you can give it the link to their

2513
01:59:22,330 --> 01:59:20,900
Facebook and they aren't smart enough to

2514
01:59:24,819 --> 01:59:22,340
have their privacy settings right you

2515
01:59:26,080 --> 01:59:24,829
can pull an email in some LinkedIn's you

2516
01:59:29,500 --> 01:59:26,090
can do that too

2517
01:59:31,540 --> 01:59:29,510
and you give it that and then it uses

2518
01:59:33,819 --> 01:59:31,550
that email to start identifying other

2519
01:59:36,040 --> 01:59:33,829
social media accounts and by the end

2520
01:59:37,509 --> 01:59:36,050
it'll pull in you know everything off of

2521
01:59:39,609 --> 01:59:37,519
their Facebook it'll find their Twitter

2522
01:59:41,350 --> 01:59:39,619
it'll link that up and grab any any

2523
01:59:43,209 --> 01:59:41,360
media they've put there but then it will

2524
01:59:45,040 --> 01:59:43,219
actually go over to their LinkedIn and

2525
01:59:47,529 --> 01:59:45,050
grab any employment history and build

2526
01:59:48,939 --> 01:59:47,539
that out and then it'll go and rebuild

2527
01:59:51,969 --> 01:59:48,949
all the accounts on all the platforms

2528
01:59:53,949 --> 01:59:51,979
but the scraper just build you a local

2529
01:59:55,989 --> 01:59:53,959
database so it fills up like a directory

2530
01:59:58,600 --> 01:59:55,999
of this human it spits out one file

2531
02:00:00,549 --> 01:59:58,610
that's a CSV a-- a kind of you know data

2532
02:00:03,040 --> 02:00:00,559
format that'll hold you know his name is

2533
02:00:06,250 --> 02:00:03,050
date of birth all that stuff and and

2534
02:00:07,719 --> 02:00:06,260
then a folder of photos by if it's off a

2535
02:00:10,660 --> 02:00:07,729
facebook could actually do them by album

2536
02:00:12,310 --> 02:00:10,670
name and you know cover photos just in a

2537
02:00:14,169 --> 02:00:12,320
directory name cover photo and stuff

2538
02:00:15,640 --> 02:00:14,179
like that but it'll scrape and you can

2539
02:00:17,859 --> 02:00:15,650
set it on its way if you've got enough

2540
02:00:19,209 --> 02:00:17,869
proxies which is just kind of a way of

2541
02:00:20,290 --> 02:00:19,219
hiding who you are and making it look

2542
02:00:22,479 --> 02:00:20,300
like you're a different person

2543
02:00:24,640 --> 02:00:22,489
you could have a grab like 500 a minute

2544
02:00:26,739 --> 02:00:24,650
for a couple hours and then go build all

2545
02:00:28,270 --> 02:00:26,749
the bots you want that's incredible

2546
02:00:31,029 --> 02:00:28,280
let's take a break right here our guest

2547
02:00:35,620 --> 02:00:31,039
tonight Greg house there's a reason why

2548
02:00:37,270 --> 02:00:35,630
Greg house is Greg house I hope you're

2549
02:00:38,379 --> 02:00:37,280
picking up on that vibe thank you so

2550
02:00:40,390 --> 02:00:38,389
much Greg stay right there

2551
02:00:43,080 --> 02:00:40,400
we'll continue after this short break

2552
02:00:47,410 --> 02:00:43,090
stay with us

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without PO mr. Brooks why fade to black

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02:04:54,710 --> 02:04:46,670
all right I'm back somebody just tweeted

2633
02:05:01,490 --> 02:04:54,720
Jimmy are you live demon alive or or

2634
02:05:03,740 --> 02:05:01,500
live not sure what that means and okay

2635
02:05:07,730 --> 02:05:03,750
now there's another part of manipulation

2636
02:05:13,360 --> 02:05:07,740
Greg that I'm fascinated with and that

2637
02:05:15,830 --> 02:05:13,370
is when you go to a news outlet and you

2638
02:05:18,080 --> 02:05:15,840
read the article or you see the video

2639
02:05:20,950 --> 02:05:18,090
and then you scroll to the bottom and

2640
02:05:24,530 --> 02:05:20,960
you see the comment section I have never

2641
02:05:27,320 --> 02:05:24,540
commented on on anything ever

2642
02:05:29,900 --> 02:05:27,330
I first off I don't have the time but

2643
02:05:32,410 --> 02:05:29,910
the one thing that I am fascinated with

2644
02:05:37,460 --> 02:05:32,420
is is when I look at the comments and

2645
02:05:40,040 --> 02:05:37,470
they are all from one direction one

2646
02:05:43,760 --> 02:05:40,050
after another they just just right there

2647
02:05:48,560 --> 02:05:43,770
and I think to myself who has the time

2648
02:05:50,540 --> 02:05:48,570
to go and comment on there are hundreds

2649
02:05:51,920 --> 02:05:50,550
if not thousands of media outlets around

2650
02:05:54,410 --> 02:05:51,930
the world

2651
02:05:58,310 --> 02:05:54,420
forget about YouTube and Twitter I am

2652
02:06:01,550 --> 02:05:58,320
referring to individual cities and news

2653
02:06:03,950 --> 02:06:01,560
outlets which could include Fox BBC

2654
02:06:07,460 --> 02:06:03,960
MSNBC but you go and you look at the

2655
02:06:09,950 --> 02:06:07,470
comments underneath that and I have

2656
02:06:14,480 --> 02:06:09,960
thought to myself over and over again

2657
02:06:18,410 --> 02:06:14,490
that these are not real people making

2658
02:06:21,980 --> 02:06:18,420
these comments right that's a way to

2659
02:06:26,210 --> 02:06:21,990
manipulate those who are gonna go and

2660
02:06:28,760 --> 02:06:26,220
take the time to read the comments I'm

2661
02:06:30,800 --> 02:06:28,770
not sure how many of them are real

2662
02:06:33,590 --> 02:06:30,810
people and how many real people would

2663
02:06:37,490 --> 02:06:33,600
take the time to reply to another

2664
02:06:40,450 --> 02:06:37,500
person's comments right how many of of

2665
02:06:42,560 --> 02:06:40,460
those are just absolute

2666
02:06:45,590 --> 02:06:42,570
government-controlled influencers

2667
02:06:49,190 --> 02:06:45,600
whether they're you know puppet personas

2668
02:06:53,240 --> 02:06:49,200
OCH pop it accounts but how much of that

2669
02:06:54,830 --> 02:06:53,250
is is just pure manipulation there's I

2670
02:06:56,630 --> 02:06:54,840
mean but let's be real here there

2671
02:06:57,620 --> 02:06:56,640
there's absolutely no way to know the

2672
02:06:59,330 --> 02:06:57,630
extent of it right

2673
02:07:02,440 --> 02:06:59,340
we're not on their side seeing their

2674
02:07:05,360 --> 02:07:02,450
tools but what I would say is it's also

2675
02:07:07,910 --> 02:07:05,370
for anyone actually paying attention and

2676
02:07:11,630 --> 02:07:07,920
looking at it through that lens it's not

2677
02:07:13,970 --> 02:07:11,640
hard to see and so you've just got to

2678
02:07:16,160 --> 02:07:13,980
remain vigilant I mean in the end the

2679
02:07:18,920 --> 02:07:16,170
the influence campaigns are too cheap to

2680
02:07:22,130 --> 02:07:18,930
run these days the manipulation is too

2681
02:07:25,550 --> 02:07:22,140
easy to do and human nature with its

2682
02:07:29,480 --> 02:07:25,560
echo chambers and its want to reinforce

2683
02:07:32,480 --> 02:07:29,490
its own beliefs and then wants to be

2684
02:07:34,130 --> 02:07:32,490
proven right all that put together means

2685
02:07:37,310 --> 02:07:34,140
the influence campaigns are just gonna

2686
02:07:39,020 --> 02:07:37,320
keep happening so it's not it's not on

2687
02:07:41,390 --> 02:07:39,030
us to find a way to stop them because I

2688
02:07:42,920 --> 02:07:41,400
don't think we can personally and I've

2689
02:07:44,780 --> 02:07:42,930
been fighting all kinds of fights for a

2690
02:07:46,880 --> 02:07:44,790
long time I just that's too cheap and

2691
02:07:49,400 --> 02:07:46,890
easy to do right now what you have to do

2692
02:07:52,190 --> 02:07:49,410
instead is be vigilant yourself you have

2693
02:07:53,900 --> 02:07:52,200
to watch it yourself you have to notice

2694
02:07:56,350 --> 02:07:53,910
it yourself and you have to call it out

2695
02:07:59,080 --> 02:07:56,360
when you see it are you suggesting

2696
02:08:03,620 --> 02:07:59,090
because I'll throw a number out there I

2697
02:08:06,800 --> 02:08:03,630
would say 99% right but I mean

2698
02:08:11,570 --> 02:08:06,810
statistics were invented to be invented

2699
02:08:14,000 --> 02:08:11,580
right I mean but but what I am

2700
02:08:17,270 --> 02:08:14,010
suggesting here is when people go and

2701
02:08:21,230 --> 02:08:17,280
read those comments and those threads

2702
02:08:23,660 --> 02:08:21,240
they're assuming that these are real

2703
02:08:26,090 --> 02:08:23,670
people with real concerns that are

2704
02:08:28,430 --> 02:08:26,100
posting this stuff oh there's a high

2705
02:08:30,140 --> 02:08:28,440
percentage of them that are not um that

2706
02:08:32,300 --> 02:08:30,150
are absolutely bots that are influence

2707
02:08:34,820 --> 02:08:32,310
peddlers and then there's a percentage

2708
02:08:36,080 --> 02:08:34,830
of people you know the one thing that

2709
02:08:39,290 --> 02:08:36,090
you're leaving out there is the people

2710
02:08:41,390 --> 02:08:39,300
that not only have already been taken by

2711
02:08:44,570 --> 02:08:41,400
the bots so they just believe but you

2712
02:08:46,670 --> 02:08:44,580
know where we're at tribal species you

2713
02:08:48,590 --> 02:08:46,680
know we want to have an in-group we want

2714
02:08:50,720 --> 02:08:48,600
to have a group of people that talk like

2715
02:08:52,940 --> 02:08:50,730
us that believe like us that have the

2716
02:08:56,510 --> 02:08:52,950
same fears and worries as us right and

2717
02:08:58,760 --> 02:08:56,520
and when you run into an environment one

2718
02:09:00,800 --> 02:08:58,770
specific local news outlet that has a

2719
02:09:02,810 --> 02:09:00,810
specific influence campaign running

2720
02:09:05,210 --> 02:09:02,820
against it so all the users that are

2721
02:09:07,280 --> 02:09:05,220
commenting are from one botnet and you

2722
02:09:08,510 --> 02:09:07,290
buy into it and you love it and you feel

2723
02:09:10,710 --> 02:09:08,520
like you're part of that group and you

2724
02:09:12,210 --> 02:09:10,720
start joining into the conversation well

2725
02:09:14,070 --> 02:09:12,220
you're not part of the problem because

2726
02:09:16,020 --> 02:09:14,080
you're just influencing you know exactly

2727
02:09:18,450 --> 02:09:16,030
like they are by being a part of it but

2728
02:09:20,070 --> 02:09:18,460
that number grows I mean that the reason

2729
02:09:21,900 --> 02:09:20,080
this works is that people fall for it

2730
02:09:24,450 --> 02:09:21,910
and that we wants to be part of groups

2731
02:09:26,730 --> 02:09:24,460
so you know while it might start out as

2732
02:09:28,170 --> 02:09:26,740
a higher number it's it's like some of

2733
02:09:30,930 --> 02:09:28,180
the some of the stuff I've played around

2734
02:09:34,350 --> 02:09:30,940
with in the past you you can come into a

2735
02:09:35,700 --> 02:09:34,360
situation where 99% of the people that

2736
02:09:38,550 --> 02:09:35,710
are actually talking right now and

2737
02:09:40,980 --> 02:09:38,560
agreeing with each other are BOTS but

2738
02:09:42,360 --> 02:09:40,990
within a month you only have to have 25%

2739
02:09:43,740 --> 02:09:42,370
of those BOTS around because everyone

2740
02:09:46,200 --> 02:09:43,750
else has joined in because they wanted

2741
02:09:47,610 --> 02:09:46,210
to be a part of the group and you don't

2742
02:09:49,770 --> 02:09:47,620
have to be working so hard they'll do it

2743
02:09:52,260 --> 02:09:49,780
for you and your wins are programmable

2744
02:09:55,950 --> 02:09:52,270
right right right right blowing my mind

2745
02:09:57,660 --> 02:09:55,960
right now and one of the I would say

2746
02:10:01,130 --> 02:09:57,670
that all groups and it doesn't matter if

2747
02:10:05,520 --> 02:10:01,140
it's music food sports politics religion

2748
02:10:07,740 --> 02:10:05,530
everybody's got an emotional thing

2749
02:10:11,840 --> 02:10:07,750
that's in play here that's why they're

2750
02:10:15,750 --> 02:10:11,850
part of the group right and and here our

2751
02:10:17,250 --> 02:10:15,760
circle which is loosely I would say

2752
02:10:20,850 --> 02:10:17,260
conspiracy and then underneath

2753
02:10:23,070 --> 02:10:20,860
conspiracy you have UFOs and the

2754
02:10:26,610 --> 02:10:23,080
paranormal and the supernatural and in

2755
02:10:29,850 --> 02:10:26,620
lost history and in Egypt and you know

2756
02:10:33,630 --> 02:10:29,860
just things that that are there but if

2757
02:10:36,540 --> 02:10:33,640
you want to go and screw up the minds of

2758
02:10:38,550 --> 02:10:36,550
a group the conspiracy group is one of

2759
02:10:41,670 --> 02:10:38,560
the easiest things to come in and starts

2760
02:10:44,850 --> 02:10:41,680
you know spinning a narrative and and

2761
02:10:48,330 --> 02:10:44,860
getting people just just get into their

2762
02:10:51,540 --> 02:10:48,340
heads and and and get to get to get the

2763
02:10:53,520 --> 02:10:51,550
plate spinning right yeah well you've

2764
02:10:55,980 --> 02:10:53,530
got this interesting mix of people in

2765
02:10:57,690 --> 02:10:55,990
kind of the conspiracy space where some

2766
02:10:59,760 --> 02:10:57,700
people will look into that space and say

2767
02:11:01,950 --> 02:10:59,770
oh you're all so stupid but that's just

2768
02:11:04,110 --> 02:11:01,960
not true it's a it's a group of people

2769
02:11:06,270 --> 02:11:04,120
with their eyes open in a different way

2770
02:11:07,980 --> 02:11:06,280
they're they're looking for more truth

2771
02:11:09,600 --> 02:11:07,990
out there they're not looking for the

2772
02:11:11,610 --> 02:11:09,610
story that they've been told do they

2773
02:11:13,200 --> 02:11:11,620
want to find things and without people

2774
02:11:15,360 --> 02:11:13,210
out there looking at stuff that way we

2775
02:11:18,000 --> 02:11:15,370
don't we don't have interesting

2776
02:11:20,190 --> 02:11:18,010
archaeology you know you you you talk

2777
02:11:23,370 --> 02:11:20,200
about Tepe there a lot you know we don't

2778
02:11:24,489 --> 02:11:23,380
find stuff like that so you know you

2779
02:11:27,009 --> 02:11:24,499
need those people

2780
02:11:29,319 --> 02:11:27,019
with that way of thinking but because

2781
02:11:31,989 --> 02:11:29,329
they're so open to new ideas that don't

2782
02:11:33,609 --> 02:11:31,999
have a lot of backing proof and they're

2783
02:11:36,310 --> 02:11:33,619
willing to start going down those rabbit

2784
02:11:38,080 --> 02:11:36,320
holes to try and find it they become

2785
02:11:41,020 --> 02:11:38,090
manipulatable by it by the forces that

2786
02:11:44,439 --> 02:11:41,030
are trying to and if you want evidence

2787
02:11:48,850 --> 02:11:44,449
of any of this when you think about the

2788
02:11:51,520 --> 02:11:48,860
the way out there conspiracy stuff that

2789
02:11:55,899 --> 02:11:51,530
went down with the fake news trend that

2790
02:11:59,049 --> 02:11:55,909
kicked off in 2016 and you find out that

2791
02:12:03,160 --> 02:11:59,059
it's sixteen-year-old kids in another

2792
02:12:06,189 --> 02:12:03,170
country literally pulling a bong load in

2793
02:12:08,169 --> 02:12:06,199
the morning thinking of the craziest

2794
02:12:10,959 --> 02:12:08,179
thing that they can post write some

2795
02:12:15,310 --> 02:12:10,969
crazy conspiracy and they go and they

2796
02:12:19,989 --> 02:12:15,320
post it and that post gets liked and

2797
02:12:23,919 --> 02:12:19,999
shared a million times by noon which was

2798
02:12:26,739 --> 02:12:23,929
the goal for all of them was how much

2799
02:12:28,779 --> 02:12:26,749
traction they could create you know by

2800
02:12:30,339 --> 02:12:28,789
the middle of the day because they were

2801
02:12:32,950 --> 02:12:30,349
getting paid right

2802
02:12:35,950 --> 02:12:32,960
and the more kicks that were there that

2803
02:12:38,140 --> 02:12:35,960
is what are the craziest parts about

2804
02:12:40,750 --> 02:12:38,150
this is people want a good conspiracy

2805
02:12:42,339 --> 02:12:40,760
and they're gonna go and retweet it

2806
02:12:45,370 --> 02:12:42,349
they're gonna go and share it they're

2807
02:12:47,500 --> 02:12:45,380
going to like it they're gonna repost it

2808
02:12:51,129 --> 02:12:47,510
on Facebook and share it on their own

2809
02:12:52,839 --> 02:12:51,139
pages and people love a good conspiracy

2810
02:12:54,580 --> 02:12:52,849
and sometimes it's just good

2811
02:12:57,160 --> 02:12:54,590
entertainment but you know most of the

2812
02:12:58,899 --> 02:12:57,170
time it's just them trying to find a lot

2813
02:13:01,600 --> 02:12:58,909
more out there than again what they're

2814
02:13:04,060 --> 02:13:01,610
being fed and you know I've never been

2815
02:13:06,270 --> 02:13:04,070
much of a conspiracy guy but I've also

2816
02:13:09,270 --> 02:13:06,280
not looked down on them you know we

2817
02:13:12,910 --> 02:13:09,280
people think that they're they're more

2818
02:13:14,950 --> 02:13:12,920
manipulatable and that's to a degree but

2819
02:13:17,200 --> 02:13:14,960
I think that's a little kind of a rude

2820
02:13:19,989 --> 02:13:17,210
way saying it right like it is just more

2821
02:13:21,700 --> 02:13:19,999
willing to go with things until they

2822
02:13:23,140 --> 02:13:21,710
find out if they're true or not now that

2823
02:13:24,399 --> 02:13:23,150
does leave the like you said they they

2824
02:13:25,750 --> 02:13:24,409
might share something before they've

2825
02:13:29,469 --> 02:13:25,760
gone and gotten a lot of facts about it

2826
02:13:31,120 --> 02:13:29,479
but you know it's still it's it's an

2827
02:13:32,950 --> 02:13:31,130
interesting community for for the

2828
02:13:34,839 --> 02:13:32,960
influencers but the one thing that you

2829
02:13:37,060 --> 02:13:34,849
mentioned there that's really important

2830
02:13:38,649 --> 02:13:37,070
for people to understand is what

2831
02:13:40,600 --> 02:13:38,659
when you look at the social media site

2832
02:13:43,209 --> 02:13:40,610
of this especially but even in relation

2833
02:13:46,240 --> 02:13:43,219
to the news articles you know things

2834
02:13:48,660 --> 02:13:46,250
like Facebook and Twitter moved over in

2835
02:13:51,729 --> 02:13:48,670
the last you know a few years to more

2836
02:13:53,709 --> 02:13:51,739
algorithmic timelines so when you're

2837
02:13:55,479 --> 02:13:53,719
looking at things it's no longer every

2838
02:13:58,209 --> 02:13:55,489
single person you're following in the

2839
02:14:00,520 --> 02:13:58,219
order they tweeted stuff it's kind of

2840
02:14:02,169 --> 02:14:00,530
that plus a little mix of Science in the

2841
02:14:04,330 --> 02:14:02,179
background with some math on top of it

2842
02:14:07,839 --> 02:14:04,340
you know how does it work those

2843
02:14:10,359 --> 02:14:07,849
algorithms they look for early signals

2844
02:14:12,189 --> 02:14:10,369
so if I post something and within five

2845
02:14:15,760 --> 02:14:12,199
minutes suddenly it's got you know a

2846
02:14:17,649 --> 02:14:15,770
thousand freaking likes it knows man

2847
02:14:19,990 --> 02:14:17,659
that content is doing well and boy I

2848
02:14:22,750 --> 02:14:20,000
like my platform to be making me money

2849
02:14:25,629 --> 02:14:22,760
so I'm going to show more people that

2850
02:14:27,550 --> 02:14:25,639
content so botnets gets to kind of

2851
02:14:29,830 --> 02:14:27,560
manipulate these algorithmic timelines

2852
02:14:31,600 --> 02:14:29,840
by you know if they're good enough

2853
02:14:33,370 --> 02:14:31,610
botnets that they haven't been really

2854
02:14:34,689 --> 02:14:33,380
kind of quarantined off to because

2855
02:14:38,500 --> 02:14:34,699
Twitter figured out that they might all

2856
02:14:40,780 --> 02:14:38,510
be friends then they can send something

2857
02:14:42,160 --> 02:14:40,790
out with one account interact with it

2858
02:14:44,680 --> 02:14:42,170
with these other five hundred accounts

2859
02:14:46,089 --> 02:14:44,690
really quickly and then the algorithm is

2860
02:14:47,350 --> 02:14:46,099
going to show it to ten thousand people

2861
02:14:51,490 --> 02:14:47,360
that wouldn't have seen it without the

2862
02:14:54,520 --> 02:14:51,500
botnet and this could literally happen

2863
02:14:56,850 --> 02:14:54,530
with the right botnet you know five

2864
02:14:59,560 --> 02:14:56,860
hundred people interacting is a

2865
02:15:02,640 --> 02:14:59,570
significant amount but it can also

2866
02:15:04,330 --> 02:15:02,650
happen within seconds I would assume oh

2867
02:15:06,010 --> 02:15:04,340
yeah absolutely

2868
02:15:07,120 --> 02:15:06,020
I mean the only thing you've got to do

2869
02:15:09,550 --> 02:15:07,130
is make sure that you're not

2870
02:15:11,050 --> 02:15:09,560
identifiable you know so every one of

2871
02:15:13,030 --> 02:15:11,060
your BOTS has to be coming from a

2872
02:15:15,220 --> 02:15:13,040
different IP from tons of different

2873
02:15:17,410 --> 02:15:15,230
countries from different device types

2874
02:15:18,609 --> 02:15:17,420
you know you you've got to have a system

2875
02:15:21,520 --> 02:15:18,619
that you put a little time and effort

2876
02:15:23,080 --> 02:15:21,530
into but you know twenty years ago that

2877
02:15:26,020 --> 02:15:23,090
was a million dollar operation today

2878
02:15:29,649 --> 02:15:26,030
that's a $400 operation like it's you

2879
02:15:32,200 --> 02:15:29,659
know it's not expensive and today I'm

2880
02:15:36,100 --> 02:15:32,210
not gonna bring up coronavirus but I

2881
02:15:38,109 --> 02:15:36,110
will bring up coronavirus theories right

2882
02:15:43,930 --> 02:15:38,119
the conspiracy theories behind them

2883
02:15:47,200 --> 02:15:43,940
which today these theories are created

2884
02:15:50,589 --> 02:15:47,210
all day long and it doesn't matter what

2885
02:15:53,559 --> 02:15:50,599
it is about but today they can

2886
02:15:57,669 --> 02:15:53,569
I wrote an article today for the

2887
02:16:00,309 --> 02:15:57,679
telepath about this which is this it's

2888
02:16:03,819 --> 02:16:00,319
the rise of the conspiracy theorist

2889
02:16:05,889 --> 02:16:03,829
because today with the lack of real

2890
02:16:08,529 --> 02:16:05,899
information in the media the media is

2891
02:16:11,799 --> 02:16:08,539
about fear when it comes to coronavirus

2892
02:16:15,669 --> 02:16:11,809
we you can't go and get answers but the

2893
02:16:18,009 --> 02:16:15,679
conspiracy theory theorist has an answer

2894
02:16:21,969 --> 02:16:18,019
today for anything that they can create

2895
02:16:25,839 --> 02:16:21,979
the answer is coronavirus right so you

2896
02:16:30,129 --> 02:16:25,849
go you make up the conspiracy theory and

2897
02:16:33,939 --> 02:16:30,139
then your answer is quran ova your proof

2898
02:16:37,750 --> 02:16:33,949
your evidence is coronavirus which has

2899
02:16:39,700 --> 02:16:37,760
caused this stuff to go nuts on the

2900
02:16:43,059 --> 02:16:39,710
internet today and it doesn't matter

2901
02:16:46,870 --> 02:16:43,069
what it is you know 5g vaccines the

2902
02:16:51,459 --> 02:16:46,880
banking system unemployment the bio

2903
02:16:54,819 --> 02:16:51,469
weapons the control of another state to

2904
02:16:57,339 --> 02:16:54,829
bring down another state it's China

2905
02:17:01,509 --> 02:16:57,349
creating this against the United States

2906
02:17:04,389 --> 02:17:01,519
it's the United States creating this - -

2907
02:17:07,959 --> 02:17:04,399
to bring down China you can't have it

2908
02:17:10,719 --> 02:17:07,969
both ways but the theories out there

2909
02:17:13,750 --> 02:17:10,729
both theories are out there and both

2910
02:17:16,330 --> 02:17:13,760
sides of every conspiracy theory are out

2911
02:17:18,939 --> 02:17:16,340
there and because coronavirus is the

2912
02:17:21,849 --> 02:17:18,949
answer and the Internet is there people

2913
02:17:24,309 --> 02:17:21,859
are sharing it liking it commenting on

2914
02:17:28,660 --> 02:17:24,319
it all day long now on the Internet

2915
02:17:30,490 --> 02:17:28,670
aren't they they are and you know the

2916
02:17:34,899 --> 02:17:30,500
thing that always actually bothers me on

2917
02:17:37,509 --> 02:17:34,909
this one is that it leaves a very ripe

2918
02:17:40,179 --> 02:17:37,519
environment for the snake oil salesman

2919
02:17:41,950 --> 02:17:40,189
the people who are either simply trying

2920
02:17:43,839 --> 02:17:41,960
to build up their influence so they want

2921
02:17:46,120 --> 02:17:43,849
to raise the you know follower counts

2922
02:17:48,609 --> 02:17:46,130
the group members on their pages on

2923
02:17:50,410 --> 02:17:48,619
Facebook you know what whatever it is

2924
02:17:51,939 --> 02:17:50,420
they're trying to build up but on the

2925
02:17:54,009 --> 02:17:51,949
other side there are people literally

2926
02:17:56,109 --> 02:17:54,019
trying to sell things that they say will

2927
02:17:58,179 --> 02:17:56,119
help you I mean Alex Jones got in

2928
02:18:01,959 --> 02:17:58,189
trouble because one of his pages for one

2929
02:18:03,309 --> 02:18:01,969
of the random supplements he pushes was

2930
02:18:05,679 --> 02:18:03,319
actually saying it would help

2931
02:18:08,919 --> 02:18:05,689
with coronavirus well you know you can't

2932
02:18:10,569 --> 02:18:08,929
say that cuz it doesn't um but you know

2933
02:18:12,519 --> 02:18:10,579
there's just these people out there who

2934
02:18:14,709 --> 02:18:12,529
and yeah that's not a statement on him

2935
02:18:16,569 --> 02:18:14,719
in general I'm sure he did not write

2936
02:18:20,439 --> 02:18:16,579
that text he's got an operation right

2937
02:18:22,419 --> 02:18:20,449
hmm but like it's just the the snake oil

2938
02:18:24,069 --> 02:18:22,429
salesmen are going to abuse this and

2939
02:18:27,779 --> 02:18:24,079
they're going to abuse the conspiracy

2940
02:18:31,299 --> 02:18:27,789
minded way of looking at it it's it's

2941
02:18:34,239 --> 02:18:31,309
sad actually I mean it I hate it but the

2942
02:18:37,059 --> 02:18:34,249
bigger problem is is you run into you

2943
02:18:40,599 --> 02:18:37,069
then get so much pushback against all of

2944
02:18:43,149 --> 02:18:40,609
the fake all of the obviously dumb you

2945
02:18:45,489 --> 02:18:43,159
know contradictory conspiracy theories

2946
02:18:47,619 --> 02:18:45,499
and just all the other stuff that in the

2947
02:18:49,059 --> 02:18:47,629
end everyone who really isn't into

2948
02:18:50,889 --> 02:18:49,069
conspiracy theories and even kind of

2949
02:18:53,259 --> 02:18:50,899
looks down on them will push back

2950
02:18:54,729 --> 02:18:53,269
against any theory that isn't the

2951
02:18:57,269 --> 02:18:54,739
narrative they're getting told by the

2952
02:18:59,649 --> 02:18:57,279
news simply because they're sick of the

2953
02:19:03,969 --> 02:18:59,659
700 different versions of the theory

2954
02:19:06,909 --> 02:19:03,979
they've heard today and is it that the

2955
02:19:09,399 --> 02:19:06,919
the status quo and I'm talking about the

2956
02:19:13,629 --> 02:19:09,409
rest of the planet because of the

2957
02:19:15,579 --> 02:19:13,639
pummeling of their direct credible what

2958
02:19:19,029 --> 02:19:15,589
they would consider credible news

2959
02:19:24,399 --> 02:19:19,039
outlets the CNN's the Fox's MSNBC BBC

2960
02:19:29,139 --> 02:19:24,409
whatever the world is is not giving them

2961
02:19:33,009 --> 02:19:29,149
the real data on coronavirus and kovat

2962
02:19:36,779 --> 02:19:33,019
that now they are reaching out into the

2963
02:19:40,000 --> 02:19:36,789
alternative world and seeing these

2964
02:19:43,799 --> 02:19:40,010
coronavirus conspiracy theories but it

2965
02:19:48,099 --> 02:19:43,809
may one of these theories may fit their

2966
02:19:50,019 --> 02:19:48,109
individual paradigm where they are at at

2967
02:19:54,489 --> 02:19:50,029
that moment and they're going hey well

2968
02:19:58,540 --> 02:19:54,499
apparently it's real because coronavirus

2969
02:20:00,519 --> 02:19:58,550
is the answer to this conspiracy theory

2970
02:20:02,679 --> 02:20:00,529
and now they're swinging off the

2971
02:20:04,300 --> 02:20:02,689
mainstream media and looking at the

2972
02:20:08,290 --> 02:20:04,310
different conspiracy theorists as

2973
02:20:10,779 --> 02:20:08,300
accurate information yeah I mean you

2974
02:20:14,349 --> 02:20:10,789
know we've had this interesting erosion

2975
02:20:16,171 --> 02:20:14,359
of trust in the media which I think

2976
02:20:19,321 --> 02:20:16,181
honestly is a long time

2977
02:20:22,741 --> 02:20:19,331
coming um you know I don't agree with

2978
02:20:25,171 --> 02:20:22,751
the fakeness slant of it in terms of

2979
02:20:26,850 --> 02:20:25,181
like why it's being said you know a lot

2980
02:20:28,381 --> 02:20:26,860
of the times that's thrown around it's

2981
02:20:30,661 --> 02:20:28,391
when the thing that was said was true

2982
02:20:33,661 --> 02:20:30,671
and fake news is being used as a weapon

2983
02:20:35,671 --> 02:20:33,671
to you know silence that news but you

2984
02:20:38,730 --> 02:20:35,681
know while it might not be fake it's

2985
02:20:41,671 --> 02:20:38,740
definitely twisted you know each one of

2986
02:20:43,531 --> 02:20:41,681
these big organizations has has their

2987
02:20:45,661 --> 02:20:43,541
reason for posting what they post you

2988
02:20:48,511 --> 02:20:45,671
know fox news is going to be very

2989
02:20:51,031 --> 02:20:48,521
pro-business and very Pro Republican and

2990
02:20:54,421 --> 02:20:51,041
this embassy is going to be Pro DNC in

2991
02:20:56,671 --> 02:20:54,431
you know and in and CNN is basically

2992
02:20:59,190 --> 02:20:56,681
corporatist you know you can kind of

2993
02:21:01,350 --> 02:20:59,200
look at all of these and you know what

2994
02:21:02,701 --> 02:21:01,360
their slant is and once you kind of look

2995
02:21:07,560 --> 02:21:02,711
at it through that lens you can see why

2996
02:21:09,690 --> 02:21:07,570
but the erosion of their their kind of

2997
02:21:12,480 --> 02:21:09,700
credibility as journalists through the

2998
02:21:14,401 --> 02:21:12,490
use of this fake news term lately has

2999
02:21:16,020 --> 02:21:14,411
been interesting because I'm sure sites

3000
02:21:17,850 --> 02:21:16,030
like AlterNet and all these other kind

3001
02:21:19,591 --> 02:21:17,860
of alternative news sites probably have

3002
02:21:22,171 --> 02:21:19,601
seen massive spikes in traffic for the

3003
02:21:24,060 --> 02:21:22,181
last couple years yeah I see that trend

3004
02:21:25,831 --> 02:21:24,070
happening too and it has to be that way

3005
02:21:29,671 --> 02:21:25,841
yeah something you've got to be noticing

3006
02:21:32,640 --> 02:21:29,681
yeah I do notice it and I although I

3007
02:21:36,060 --> 02:21:32,650
think it's great the troubling part for

3008
02:21:39,841 --> 02:21:36,070
me is when all you have to do is do a

3009
02:21:43,350 --> 02:21:39,851
little bit of work and visit all of the

3010
02:21:46,801 --> 02:21:43,360
the news outlets you know do it in 15

3011
02:21:49,350 --> 02:21:46,811
minutes do a click through and go and

3012
02:21:52,831 --> 02:21:49,360
read and I'm talking about the extremes

3013
02:21:54,871 --> 02:21:52,841
like RT and Ann Fox and CNN and the

3014
02:21:57,001 --> 02:21:54,881
things that you know kind of fall into

3015
02:22:01,461 --> 02:21:57,011
the middle but when you go and look all

3016
02:22:05,251 --> 02:22:01,471
of the reporting on the same subjects is

3017
02:22:07,770 --> 02:22:05,261
completely different completely it's

3018
02:22:10,201 --> 02:22:07,780
completely from it and it's just like

3019
02:22:13,921 --> 02:22:10,211
wait a minute here we've got their spin

3020
02:22:16,140 --> 02:22:13,931
right and you can't be expected to take

3021
02:22:19,980 --> 02:22:16,150
an average what I'm supposed to do a

3022
02:22:21,511 --> 02:22:19,990
bell curve here on my news at that point

3023
02:22:23,100 --> 02:22:21,521
you end up in your echo chamber and you

3024
02:22:25,321 --> 02:22:23,110
end up with you're in group the group

3025
02:22:27,241 --> 02:22:25,331
that you feel kind of reinforces your

3026
02:22:28,531 --> 02:22:27,251
own beliefs even if you don't look at it

3027
02:22:30,150 --> 02:22:28,541
that way because humans aren't really

3028
02:22:31,770 --> 02:22:30,160
built to kind of be that introspect

3029
02:22:35,070 --> 02:22:31,780
about why they're believing something

3030
02:22:37,320 --> 02:22:35,080
but you know you're going to go if

3031
02:22:39,450 --> 02:22:37,330
you're you know I'll be blunt about it

3032
02:22:40,770 --> 02:22:39,460
if you're my family members down in

3033
02:22:42,301 --> 02:22:40,780
Texas where I grew up you're gonna go

3034
02:22:43,980 --> 02:22:42,311
over to Fox because they're saying the

3035
02:22:46,290 --> 02:22:43,990
things that you already believe right

3036
02:22:48,360 --> 02:22:46,300
their spin is something that you want to

3037
02:22:49,710 --> 02:22:48,370
hear if you're you know the people I

3038
02:22:52,860 --> 02:22:49,720
actually hung out with when I lived in

3039
02:22:54,780 --> 02:22:52,870
Chicago you are watching MSNBC non-stop

3040
02:22:57,240 --> 02:22:54,790
and believing every word Rachel Maddow

3041
02:23:00,180 --> 02:22:57,250
says because she's telling you what you

3042
02:23:03,360 --> 02:23:00,190
already know is true and you know that

3043
02:23:04,950 --> 02:23:03,370
that is definitely a problem for us but

3044
02:23:07,560 --> 02:23:04,960
I think the bigger problem in terms of

3045
02:23:11,160 --> 02:23:07,570
control is you know there's this false

3046
02:23:14,490 --> 02:23:11,170
narrative that Fox hates Democrats you

3047
02:23:16,770 --> 02:23:14,500
know Fox wouldn't have a viewership to

3048
02:23:19,500 --> 02:23:16,780
manipulate if the Democrats didn't exist

3049
02:23:21,120 --> 02:23:19,510
if if they somehow won some battle where

3050
02:23:23,640 --> 02:23:21,130
the Democrats suddenly weren't there

3051
02:23:26,070 --> 02:23:23,650
anymore and the NRA was wandering the

3052
02:23:28,950 --> 02:23:26,080
country like no no no that would hurt

3053
02:23:32,280 --> 02:23:28,960
Fox because they they make their money

3054
02:23:35,490 --> 02:23:32,290
by stirring up their viewership against

3055
02:23:37,051 --> 02:23:35,500
a common enemy and you know one of the

3056
02:23:39,810 --> 02:23:37,061
biggest forms of manipulation we have in

3057
02:23:42,150 --> 02:23:39,820
media in this country is is is that

3058
02:23:44,131 --> 02:23:42,160
specifically they know that they've got

3059
02:23:46,470 --> 02:23:44,141
a group of people that hate that other

3060
02:23:50,280 --> 02:23:46,480
group of people and they use that to

3061
02:23:53,580 --> 02:23:50,290
make money and peddle influence he loves

3062
02:23:55,410 --> 02:23:53,590
the Republicans right the biggest the

3063
02:23:57,870 --> 02:23:55,420
thing that RNC loves in the opie loves

3064
02:24:00,900 --> 02:23:57,880
the most in this world is every DNC

3065
02:24:04,530 --> 02:24:00,910
member because the gops donations are

3066
02:24:06,600 --> 02:24:04,540
are exactly and in every way tied to how

3067
02:24:09,150 --> 02:24:06,610
many people in the DNC they've got a

3068
02:24:11,400 --> 02:24:09,160
beat their base pays them to beat those

3069
02:24:12,440 --> 02:24:11,410
other guys it's the same thing on the

3070
02:24:16,980 --> 02:24:12,450
other side of the fence

3071
02:24:22,230 --> 02:24:16,990
absolutely the DNC loves the GOP soil so

3072
02:24:26,631 --> 02:24:22,240
they donate more it is absolutely not

3073
02:24:30,060 --> 02:24:26,641
only do I go

3074
02:24:32,490 --> 02:24:30,070
when you and this is the thing it not

3075
02:24:34,920 --> 02:24:32,500
only is it the same for every single

3076
02:24:37,710 --> 02:24:34,930
media outlet out there and the parties

3077
02:24:42,620 --> 02:24:37,720
themselves the politicians themselves

3078
02:24:45,960 --> 02:24:42,630
today are absolutely blur

3079
02:24:48,390 --> 02:24:45,970
it's everybody's interchangeable it's

3080
02:24:54,570 --> 02:24:48,400
like everybody in both parties is a

3081
02:24:58,380 --> 02:24:54,580
neocon and and and just wearing their

3082
02:25:00,511 --> 02:24:58,390
party's colors but individually they're

3083
02:25:02,390 --> 02:25:00,521
all pulling on the same strings and

3084
02:25:04,591 --> 02:25:02,400
they're all pulling for the same

3085
02:25:07,530 --> 02:25:04,601
corporate money and they're all

3086
02:25:12,360 --> 02:25:07,540
manipulated in one way or another by the

3087
02:25:14,400 --> 02:25:12,370
military and it's really funny to me to

3088
02:25:17,370 --> 02:25:14,410
see the infighting when they all know

3089
02:25:21,360 --> 02:25:17,380
that they're all the same they've just

3090
02:25:23,761 --> 02:25:21,370
learned how to create strong bases that

3091
02:25:26,011 --> 02:25:23,771
will fight their enemy for them their

3092
02:25:28,980 --> 02:25:26,021
enemy of course actually being their

3093
02:25:31,140 --> 02:25:28,990
best friend mm-hmm that's exactly it

3094
02:25:35,150 --> 02:25:31,150
it's really really funny I don't know

3095
02:25:38,310 --> 02:25:35,160
how we got here you know I'm not I'm not

3096
02:25:41,011 --> 02:25:38,320
when I look at a look at it from a

3097
02:25:45,680 --> 02:25:41,021
historical perspective like when I was

3098
02:25:49,140 --> 02:25:45,690
15 14 13 12 reading Time magazine in

3099
02:25:51,270 --> 02:25:49,150
1975 right I feel like they were telling

3100
02:25:54,120 --> 02:25:51,280
the truth yeah it felt a little bit

3101
02:25:58,920 --> 02:25:54,130
different but was it the same and let's

3102
02:26:02,940 --> 02:25:58,930
go back further was it the same in 1776

3103
02:26:05,640 --> 02:26:02,950
and I'm being serious for a second were

3104
02:26:08,761 --> 02:26:05,650
there you want to talk 1776 talk about

3105
02:26:11,600 --> 02:26:08,771
John Hancock a horrible horrible human

3106
02:26:17,070 --> 02:26:14,761
why he spent all that money on on this

3107
02:26:20,130 --> 02:26:17,080
little rebellion why he helped fund them

3108
02:26:22,080 --> 02:26:20,140
and work with them because he was wanted

3109
02:26:26,640 --> 02:26:22,090
multiple times by the British government

3110
02:26:28,950 --> 02:26:26,650
for murdering the first slave running he

3111
02:26:30,960 --> 02:26:28,960
was trying to distract the people who

3112
02:26:31,591 --> 02:26:30,970
might have arrested him and thrown him

3113
02:26:33,060 --> 02:26:31,601
in prison again

3114
02:26:34,740 --> 02:26:33,070
with a little rebellion that

3115
02:26:36,750 --> 02:26:34,750
accidentally all the sudden started

3116
02:26:39,330 --> 02:26:36,760
looking like it was going to win so he

3117
02:26:42,600 --> 02:26:39,340
became way more involved and was kind of

3118
02:26:45,511 --> 02:26:42,610
absolved of all of his past sins and and

3119
02:26:49,490 --> 02:26:45,521
so when we when we look back like I just

3120
02:26:53,580 --> 02:26:49,500
said was it any different back then

3121
02:26:54,630 --> 02:26:53,590
probably not we're aware of it today

3122
02:26:57,559 --> 02:26:54,640
because we have

3123
02:26:59,960 --> 02:26:57,569
access to information in real-time

3124
02:27:03,380 --> 02:26:59,970
whether the information is good or bad

3125
02:27:06,000 --> 02:27:03,390
but we have access to it and we have a

3126
02:27:09,149 --> 02:27:06,010
one hour news cycle it used to be a

3127
02:27:10,889 --> 02:27:09,159
24-hour news cycle right and our

3128
02:27:13,050 --> 02:27:10,899
attention spans are shrinking every day

3129
02:27:15,030 --> 02:27:13,060
it's it's a completely different

3130
02:27:18,840 --> 02:27:15,040
situation today now what a great

3131
02:27:21,210 --> 02:27:18,850
conversation I noticed before I let you

3132
02:27:23,910 --> 02:27:21,220
go I noticed that you've got a new

3133
02:27:26,460 --> 02:27:23,920
website in that's getting ready to

3134
02:27:29,790 --> 02:27:26,470
launch am i understanding this from what

3135
02:27:32,189 --> 02:27:29,800
I can see yeah there will be a site

3136
02:27:35,460 --> 02:27:32,199
launching soon it's basically the

3137
02:27:37,500 --> 02:27:35,470
relaunch of my podcast we're

3138
02:27:40,139 --> 02:27:37,510
redeveloping the format a little kind of

3139
02:27:42,719 --> 02:27:40,149
changing it up and getting it to a point

3140
02:27:45,360 --> 02:27:42,729
where it's more manageable okay and and

3141
02:27:47,670 --> 02:27:45,370
when can what when one cuz things are

3142
02:27:50,179 --> 02:27:47,680
actually kind of complicated to run and

3143
02:27:53,849 --> 02:27:50,189
keep on time and get enough content for

3144
02:27:57,630 --> 02:27:53,859
well you're one of the best at it we're

3145
02:27:59,099 --> 02:27:57,640
looking at a month a month yeah it's

3146
02:28:01,200 --> 02:27:59,109
probably the end of next month when it's

3147
02:28:03,149 --> 02:28:01,210
actually gonna go live the I will be

3148
02:28:05,099 --> 02:28:03,159
honest with the listeners hear that that

3149
02:28:07,290 --> 02:28:05,109
countdown there if it's still even

3150
02:28:09,090 --> 02:28:07,300
counting down I've been bumping it by a

3151
02:28:10,800 --> 02:28:09,100
couple weeks every couple weeks just to

3152
02:28:13,410 --> 02:28:10,810
make sure it's still counting down right

3153
02:28:15,330 --> 02:28:13,420
but that was because I just didn't know

3154
02:28:17,219 --> 02:28:15,340
when I was actually going to finally

3155
02:28:18,929 --> 02:28:17,229
have the time to relaunch and then I got

3156
02:28:21,389 --> 02:28:18,939
sick the last few weeks I've been really

3157
02:28:22,590 --> 02:28:21,399
sick so um it's it's moved out to the

3158
02:28:24,479 --> 02:28:22,600
end of next month when I think I'm

3159
02:28:27,899 --> 02:28:24,489
relaunching and just to let everybody

3160
02:28:31,649 --> 02:28:27,909
know I don't know what Greg had but it

3161
02:28:34,349 --> 02:28:31,659
last week it sounded horrible and but

3162
02:28:36,330 --> 02:28:34,359
you're on the mend right yeah I didn't

3163
02:28:38,610 --> 02:28:36,340
go get tested because while I felt like

3164
02:28:41,120 --> 02:28:38,620
I had a pretty damn bad flu I also

3165
02:28:43,590 --> 02:28:41,130
didn't feel like I was about to die um

3166
02:28:45,240 --> 02:28:43,600
so I didn't think you know going and

3167
02:28:47,760 --> 02:28:45,250
wasting a test or getting in line or

3168
02:28:50,099 --> 02:28:47,770
possibly you know not having it and then

3169
02:28:52,290 --> 02:28:50,109
catching it while waiting in the ER was

3170
02:28:54,620 --> 02:28:52,300
a very smart move in any of those fronts

3171
02:28:58,010 --> 02:28:54,630
so I just self-quarantine stayed home

3172
02:29:00,210 --> 02:28:58,020
treated myself like I had a bad flu and

3173
02:29:01,860 --> 02:29:00,220
it's bit as you can hear in my voice

3174
02:29:03,540 --> 02:29:01,870
it's passed I mean I'm bluffing but

3175
02:29:05,820 --> 02:29:03,550
mostly like I'm moving my head far away

3176
02:29:07,330 --> 02:29:05,830
from the microphone to cough yeah last

3177
02:29:09,189 --> 02:29:07,340
week Greg and I

3178
02:29:12,550 --> 02:29:09,199
on the phone and he coughed like every

3179
02:29:14,559 --> 02:29:12,560
10 seconds and I was eva of about 101

3180
02:29:15,939 --> 02:29:14,569
average for like a week straight I was

3181
02:29:18,790 --> 02:29:15,949
seeing things it was great let me tell

3182
02:29:20,920 --> 02:29:18,800
you yeah hallucinating without drugs I'm

3183
02:29:23,830 --> 02:29:20,930
talking about Gregg Housh thank you so

3184
02:29:27,160 --> 02:29:23,840
much Greg and we did put up Greg Greg's

3185
02:29:29,649 --> 02:29:27,170
new website link like Greg house comm

3186
02:29:31,960 --> 02:29:29,659
and I did it so everybody could go see

3187
02:29:34,179 --> 02:29:31,970
the countdown timer but you can

3188
02:29:34,660 --> 02:29:34,189
certainly follow Greg right here on

3189
02:29:37,780 --> 02:29:34,670
Twitter

3190
02:29:40,870 --> 02:29:37,790
his real account is what we have up

3191
02:29:43,689 --> 02:29:40,880
there right now which is Greg house with

3192
02:29:46,059 --> 02:29:43,699
the little blue checkmark thank you so

3193
02:29:48,670 --> 02:29:46,069
much Greg be safe give my best to the

3194
02:29:50,380 --> 02:29:48,680
family and we'll be talking soon thank

3195
02:29:53,439 --> 02:29:50,390
you so much great congressman thanks for

3196
02:29:55,630 --> 02:29:53,449
having me Greg house the absolute very

3197
02:29:57,370 --> 02:29:55,640
best you can follow Greg right here on

3198
02:30:00,130 --> 02:29:57,380
Twitter we've got it up on Twitter

3199
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02:34:17,820 --> 02:34:16,590
all right welcome back fade to black I

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02:34:20,730 --> 02:34:17,830
want to thank Greg house

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02:34:22,310 --> 02:34:20,740
you can follow Greg on Twitter at Greg

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02:34:26,070 --> 02:34:22,320
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Hou SH that's Greg with two G's right

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02:34:30,870 --> 02:34:29,020
there follow him on Twitter absolutely

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02:34:33,840 --> 02:34:30,880
fascinating conversation I'm opening up

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02:34:37,740 --> 02:34:33,850
the phone lines now seven four seven two

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02:34:39,360 --> 02:34:37,750
two eight two zero five one seven four

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02:34:42,780 --> 02:34:39,370
seven two two eight two zero five one

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02:34:50,520 --> 02:34:42,790
and yeah I think everybody saw in and

3285
02:34:52,620 --> 02:34:50,530
heard tonight in real time that I I had

3286
02:34:55,080 --> 02:34:52,630
no idea about the automation abouts it

3287
02:34:59,580 --> 02:34:55,090
had to be that way and you would think

3288
02:35:02,130 --> 02:34:59,590
that the automation of BOTS would would

3289
02:35:05,640 --> 02:35:02,140
would be out there but it's another

3290
02:35:08,430 --> 02:35:05,650
thing to get a program like he said 70

3291
02:35:11,930 --> 02:35:08,440
bucks you know and get it control 150

3292
02:35:17,810 --> 02:35:11,940
accounts you could set them up to like

3293
02:35:23,250 --> 02:35:17,820
to to send out friend requests right and

3294
02:35:28,950 --> 02:35:23,260
to also speak in a dialect and have it

3295
02:35:31,950 --> 02:35:28,960
ranged to location that's that's pretty

3296
02:35:36,720 --> 02:35:31,960
incredible to me that that really is and

3297
02:35:38,610 --> 02:35:36,730
I go each day when you know I'll go over

3298
02:35:41,610 --> 02:35:38,620
to Facebook and kind of poke around and

3299
02:35:46,170 --> 02:35:41,620
and I'll look up like I am now and I've

3300
02:35:48,870 --> 02:35:46,180
got 42 friend requests my accounts been

3301
02:35:51,570 --> 02:35:48,880
locked out for a long time but the

3302
02:35:55,170 --> 02:35:51,580
friend request still come in and I'm

3303
02:35:57,230 --> 02:35:55,180
looking here now I just collect I just

3304
02:36:00,990 --> 02:35:57,240
happen to click I'm looking now and

3305
02:36:03,180 --> 02:36:01,000
there it is no mutual friends no mutual

3306
02:36:06,510 --> 02:36:03,190
friends none there's a few that have

3307
02:36:09,330 --> 02:36:06,520
them but it's and I cleared this out

3308
02:36:13,560 --> 02:36:09,340
earlier today and here it is right now

3309
02:36:17,310 --> 02:36:13,570
I'm telling you there is literally 30 or

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02:36:21,030 --> 02:36:17,320
40 friend requests where there's no

3311
02:36:24,660 --> 02:36:21,040
mutual friends not even two and that

3312
02:36:25,890 --> 02:36:24,670
they have to be bouts you know and I

3313
02:36:28,081 --> 02:36:25,900
don't take the time to go and

3314
02:36:31,470 --> 02:36:28,091
click on these individual accounts and

3315
02:36:35,100 --> 02:36:31,480
to see what's going on I you know who

3316
02:36:37,610 --> 02:36:35,110
would send me a friend request that I

3317
02:36:41,341 --> 02:36:37,620
don't know and no mutual friend nothing

3318
02:36:45,030 --> 02:36:41,351
right it has to be bots and this type of

3319
02:36:47,761 --> 02:36:45,040
automation like that that's somebody

3320
02:36:50,910 --> 02:36:47,771
posted up I think was Mark and Twitter

3321
02:36:56,041 --> 02:36:50,920
said don't get any ideas Church that's a

3322
02:36:59,011 --> 02:36:56,051
scary thing to me that's that's a that's

3323
02:37:03,501 --> 02:36:59,021
a very scary thing and another part

3324
02:37:09,150 --> 02:37:03,511
about this what about those out there

3325
02:37:13,970 --> 02:37:09,160
that would create a bot account you know

3326
02:37:17,671 --> 02:37:13,980
150 to manipulate and go follow

3327
02:37:21,240 --> 02:37:17,681
themselves and then create conversations

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02:37:24,900 --> 02:37:21,250
and and comments inside of their own

3329
02:37:30,390 --> 02:37:24,910
accounts right think about that

3330
02:37:32,100 --> 02:37:30,400
Instagram Twitter Facebook yeah that's

3331
02:37:34,291 --> 02:37:32,110
pretty interesting you don't know what's

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02:37:36,900 --> 02:37:34,301
true anymore you don't know what's real

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02:37:40,381 --> 02:37:36,910
anymore and I know I'm speaking the

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02:37:42,541 --> 02:37:40,391
obvious right absolutely speaking the

3335
02:37:44,970 --> 02:37:42,551
obvious here you know you don't know

3336
02:37:49,801 --> 02:37:44,980
what's real before I mention 1984 in

3337
02:37:53,581 --> 02:37:49,811
George Orwell but yeah you just don't

3338
02:37:56,430 --> 02:37:53,591
know I remember making a comment a

3339
02:37:59,430 --> 02:37:56,440
couple of years ago about that you you

3340
02:38:03,450 --> 02:37:59,440
could be arguing with something that

3341
02:38:05,970 --> 02:38:03,460
that isn't real you're literally wasting

3342
02:38:09,450 --> 02:38:05,980
your time on somebody that has gotten

3343
02:38:15,030 --> 02:38:09,460
under your skin and it's just not a real

3344
02:38:16,440 --> 02:38:15,040
account oh man let's go to the phones

3345
02:38:22,980 --> 02:38:16,450
how you're live on fader block who's

3346
02:38:27,121 --> 02:38:22,990
calling hey Jimmy you there yes from

3347
02:38:32,520 --> 02:38:27,131
Florida hey Malcolm how are you

3348
02:38:36,390 --> 02:38:32,530
surviving the coronavirus uh yeah I I

3349
02:38:38,280 --> 02:38:36,400
don't really talk about it but a work

3350
02:38:40,560 --> 02:38:38,290
we're just like everybody else you know

3351
02:38:42,511 --> 02:38:40,570
where we're dealing with it just like

3352
02:38:46,830 --> 02:38:42,521
everybody else has to deal with it and

3353
02:38:48,690 --> 02:38:46,840
and and that's about it I I don't like

3354
02:38:51,360 --> 02:38:48,700
talking about it because I don't want to

3355
02:38:54,570 --> 02:38:51,370
be part of the fear Malcolm you know so

3356
02:38:56,280 --> 02:38:54,580
that's that one day I agree so I guess I

3357
02:38:58,110 --> 02:38:56,290
probably should tell you that like two

3358
02:39:00,480 --> 02:38:58,120
weeks ago I spoke to this guy at the

3359
02:39:02,400 --> 02:39:00,490
hydroponic shop I go to who told me that

3360
02:39:04,650 --> 02:39:02,410
Bill Gates was all behind it and that he

3361
02:39:06,900 --> 02:39:04,660
owns the patent on the corona virus and

3362
02:39:10,080 --> 02:39:06,910
that he's injecting people in Africa

3363
02:39:12,150 --> 02:39:10,090
with the vaccine but he's also giving

3364
02:39:14,341 --> 02:39:12,160
them like nanobots in the process you

3365
02:39:17,520 --> 02:39:14,351
know I just I shouldn't probably tell

3366
02:39:20,761 --> 02:39:17,530
you that today well I mean well I think

3367
02:39:24,841 --> 02:39:20,771
the bigger question is do you believe

3368
02:39:28,980 --> 02:39:24,851
that to be true not for a second

3369
02:39:35,551 --> 02:39:28,990
right does your friend at the hydroponic

3370
02:39:37,200 --> 02:39:35,561
pot shop believe it to be true now it's

3371
02:39:40,801 --> 02:39:37,210
a hydroponics store and they grow

3372
02:39:43,230 --> 02:39:40,811
tomatoes there okay okay okay so your

3373
02:39:46,790 --> 02:39:43,240
two your Tomatoes your Tomatoes

3374
02:39:49,650 --> 02:39:46,800
specialist does he believe it to be true

3375
02:39:51,330 --> 02:39:49,660
well you stuck outside the country

3376
02:39:53,341 --> 02:39:51,340
because of the corona virus and his

3377
02:39:54,930 --> 02:39:53,351
son-in-law opened up the shop for me so

3378
02:39:59,900 --> 02:39:54,940
I could go in and get a couple of bags

3379
02:40:03,301 --> 02:39:59,910
with dirt for my tomatoes mm-hmm right

3380
02:40:06,270 --> 02:40:03,311
well it's just I think it's just I think

3381
02:40:08,761 --> 02:40:06,280
it's just an example of how far rumor

3382
02:40:10,980 --> 02:40:08,771
has gone because I mean you know those

3383
02:40:14,190 --> 02:40:10,990
two weeks ago now I start to see it on

3384
02:40:16,460 --> 02:40:14,200
the internet did terrible rumors about

3385
02:40:19,530 --> 02:40:16,470
Bill Gates and coronavirus you know

3386
02:40:23,700 --> 02:40:19,540
right right I think the guy was two

3387
02:40:26,341 --> 02:40:23,710
weeks ahead of all of us right right

3388
02:40:32,820 --> 02:40:26,351
yeah my comment my comment to that

3389
02:40:36,570 --> 02:40:32,830
directly would be I understand the his

3390
02:40:38,850 --> 02:40:36,580
foundation and its concern with and

3391
02:40:41,190 --> 02:40:38,860
these are you know from himself and I

3392
02:40:42,710 --> 02:40:41,200
saw the documentary about Bill Gates

3393
02:40:47,130 --> 02:40:42,720
that came out a few months ago

3394
02:40:51,059 --> 02:40:47,140
three-part series and they focused

3395
02:40:53,550 --> 02:40:51,069
one of the episodes on his concerns

3396
02:40:56,189 --> 02:40:53,560
about malaria and malaria around the

3397
02:41:00,479 --> 02:40:56,199
world and trying to help those countries

3398
02:41:01,500 --> 02:41:00,489
now on the surface sounds good right

3399
02:41:04,559 --> 02:41:01,510
sounds good

3400
02:41:08,570 --> 02:41:04,569
bill wants to send his money on helping

3401
02:41:10,760 --> 02:41:08,580
those that that are affected by malaria

3402
02:41:13,620 --> 02:41:10,770
okay

3403
02:41:17,639 --> 02:41:13,630
I'm happy that somebody is going to

3404
02:41:21,320 --> 02:41:17,649
spend their unspent Abul money how can

3405
02:41:25,019 --> 02:41:21,330
you possibly spend a couple of hundred

3406
02:41:28,050 --> 02:41:25,029
billion dollars before you die I mean

3407
02:41:32,330 --> 02:41:28,060
how is ill I mean how is it possible but

3408
02:41:35,090 --> 02:41:32,340
if he wants to do that okay well okay

3409
02:41:41,370 --> 02:41:35,100
that's that's a whole nother thing but

3410
02:41:45,170 --> 02:41:41,380
but but going back to the conspiracy

3411
02:41:48,300 --> 02:41:45,180
theories out there now when you go to

3412
02:41:51,599 --> 02:41:48,310
helping people with malaria is one thing

3413
02:41:54,899 --> 02:41:51,609
very philanthropic and I can understand

3414
02:41:57,780 --> 02:41:54,909
why you would want to do that

3415
02:42:00,719 --> 02:41:57,790
everybody's got a hobby and and I guess

3416
02:42:06,559 --> 02:42:00,729
that's his but going to the other

3417
02:42:11,010 --> 02:42:06,569
extreme to connect the dots into

3418
02:42:13,740 --> 02:42:11,020
patenting a virus spreading the virus

3419
02:42:19,189 --> 02:42:13,750
around the world and then without a

3420
02:42:22,469 --> 02:42:19,199
vaccine and and ruining economies and

3421
02:42:25,320 --> 02:42:22,479
globally and having money lost around

3422
02:42:27,990 --> 02:42:25,330
the world and then introducing a vaccine

3423
02:42:30,030 --> 02:42:28,000
hopefully you either have the vaccine in

3424
02:42:32,760 --> 02:42:30,040
advance or you're gonna pay to have a

3425
02:42:36,929 --> 02:42:32,770
vaccine created to go and cure these

3426
02:42:40,889 --> 02:42:36,939
people my point is what is the endgame

3427
02:42:43,410 --> 02:42:40,899
for Bill Gates that's all what does he

3428
02:42:46,019 --> 02:42:43,420
do it because he's an evil person and he

3429
02:42:48,780 --> 02:42:46,029
just wants to do this and he wants to

3430
02:42:52,229 --> 02:42:48,790
inflict harm and pain and suffering and

3431
02:42:54,780 --> 02:42:52,239
bring down the economies of world

3432
02:42:58,889 --> 02:42:54,790
governments or and country but you know

3433
02:43:00,870 --> 02:42:58,899
what's the end game I don't yet take it

3434
02:43:03,120 --> 02:43:00,880
I take it you're

3435
02:43:07,560 --> 02:43:03,130
totally convinced that his a Reptoid

3436
02:43:12,540 --> 02:43:07,570
then anything is possible anything is

3437
02:43:15,030 --> 02:43:12,550
possible but but but but what is the end

3438
02:43:18,179 --> 02:43:15,040
game for all of the conspiracy theorists

3439
02:43:21,389 --> 02:43:18,189
and followers of this type of conspiracy

3440
02:43:26,010 --> 02:43:21,399
I'm just asking for my own information

3441
02:43:28,770 --> 02:43:26,020
you tell me what is the benefit for Bill

3442
02:43:31,070 --> 02:43:28,780
Gates he's got three four five years

3443
02:43:36,179 --> 02:43:31,080
left on planet Earth

3444
02:43:39,620 --> 02:43:36,189
why what's the endgame at that stage of

3445
02:43:42,300 --> 02:43:39,630
your life I don't know what it is you're

3446
02:43:44,760 --> 02:43:42,310
you're now assuming that he's not going

3447
02:43:53,280 --> 02:43:44,770
to have brains prey cryogenically

3448
02:43:57,150 --> 02:43:53,290
preserved sure if I'm Bill Gates I would

3449
02:43:59,130 --> 02:43:57,160
do that you know I I would do it if I

3450
02:44:01,740 --> 02:43:59,140
wasn't Bill Gates I would do it if I was

3451
02:44:05,670 --> 02:44:01,750
Jimmy Church if I could afford it I'd

3452
02:44:08,820 --> 02:44:05,680
have my brain frozen patreon account for

3453
02:44:11,820 --> 02:44:08,830
that Jimmy by golly but think of it of

3454
02:44:13,290 --> 02:44:11,830
the future well a million year now they

3455
02:44:16,200 --> 02:44:13,300
should be able to correct whatever is

3456
02:44:18,810 --> 02:44:16,210
wrong with you that that is true so then

3457
02:44:21,770 --> 02:44:18,820
why would I ruin the planet before that

3458
02:44:24,990 --> 02:44:21,780
even got around to happening

3459
02:44:27,660 --> 02:44:25,000
why would I do that why would I kill off

3460
02:44:29,760 --> 02:44:27,670
half the world's population and and ruin

3461
02:44:34,380 --> 02:44:29,770
the economy if there's going to be no

3462
02:44:37,410 --> 02:44:34,390
earth when my brain gets unfrozen and

3463
02:44:43,170 --> 02:44:37,420
and somebody else just uh posted a Debra

3464
02:44:45,210 --> 02:44:43,180
Mentos just posted depopulation again

3465
02:44:49,219 --> 02:44:45,220
just like anything else when it comes

3466
02:44:52,950 --> 02:44:49,229
with this what is the advantage of

3467
02:44:56,550 --> 02:44:52,960
depopulation why would you want to do it

3468
02:44:59,750 --> 02:44:56,560
if I mean if I'm an elitist if I'm a

3469
02:45:04,560 --> 02:44:59,760
billionaire if I'm a 1/10 of 1% err I

3470
02:45:07,820 --> 02:45:04,570
need as many people to work so I can

3471
02:45:10,679 --> 02:45:07,830
make money absolutely significantly

3472
02:45:12,719 --> 02:45:10,689
decreases the potential labor pool

3473
02:45:14,160 --> 02:45:12,729
that's right that's right

3474
02:45:16,740 --> 02:45:14,170
I saw a

3475
02:45:21,929 --> 02:45:16,750
I've got to remember what it is as a

3476
02:45:26,600 --> 02:45:21,939
science fiction film about AI and

3477
02:45:31,050 --> 02:45:26,610
machines that had taken over okay AI

3478
02:45:34,320 --> 02:45:31,060
machines owned the factories they owned

3479
02:45:39,210 --> 02:45:34,330
every day ran the planet they needed

3480
02:45:42,900 --> 02:45:39,220
humans to work right they needed as many

3481
02:45:45,030 --> 02:45:42,910
humans as possible that was the one

3482
02:45:47,190 --> 02:45:45,040
thing that couldn't be taken all the

3483
02:45:49,380 --> 02:45:47,200
equation I think I think you're

3484
02:45:51,500 --> 02:45:49,390
describing a matrix I know wasn't the

3485
02:45:54,719 --> 02:45:51,510
matrix but the matrix is another example

3486
02:45:58,650 --> 02:45:54,729
sort of of this they were using humans

3487
02:46:02,790 --> 02:45:58,660
as batteries and and and memories but

3488
02:46:04,860 --> 02:46:02,800
the if you're an AI I don't see the

3489
02:46:07,530 --> 02:46:04,870
purpose in using humans as workers

3490
02:46:10,500 --> 02:46:07,540
because robots will do the job and they

3491
02:46:13,200 --> 02:46:10,510
never revolt against their owner yeah

3492
02:46:15,510 --> 02:46:13,210
there was a reason for it okay you know

3493
02:46:20,370 --> 02:46:15,520
it was written into the script there was

3494
02:46:22,590 --> 02:46:20,380
a reason for it but my point being if if

3495
02:46:24,690 --> 02:46:22,600
I owned the factories on this planet and

3496
02:46:26,540 --> 02:46:24,700
I owned all the farms and I owned the

3497
02:46:29,520 --> 02:46:26,550
manufacturing and I owned the

3498
02:46:33,690 --> 02:46:29,530
distribution networks I need people to

3499
02:46:36,900 --> 02:46:33,700
buy my products I need people to eat my

3500
02:46:40,110 --> 02:46:36,910
food I don't need less people to eat my

3501
02:46:42,480 --> 02:46:40,120
food I need people to work for me I

3502
02:46:44,969 --> 02:46:42,490
still need the housekeeper's right to

3503
02:46:48,060 --> 02:46:44,979
find the billionaire right if I

3504
02:46:54,060 --> 02:46:48,070
eliminate all of that then then what's

3505
02:46:58,980 --> 02:46:54,070
the reason I I don't get it came out

3506
02:47:01,679 --> 02:46:58,990
last year in 1928 metropolis no closed

3507
02:47:04,800 --> 02:47:01,689
same idea though yeah I'm not that old

3508
02:47:07,620 --> 02:47:04,810
no this came out last year but that's

3509
02:47:11,000 --> 02:47:07,630
the that's that's the whole thing when

3510
02:47:15,510 --> 02:47:11,010
when I consider all of this look I know

3511
02:47:19,710 --> 02:47:15,520
and I believe I believe in my heart that

3512
02:47:22,620 --> 02:47:19,720
the Georgia Guidestones are a rabbit

3513
02:47:23,460 --> 02:47:22,630
hole to go down what do those words mean

3514
02:47:26,280 --> 02:47:23,470
what is

3515
02:47:30,030 --> 02:47:26,290
really going on here who did it why why

3516
02:47:33,960 --> 02:47:30,040
was it posted up for the world to see on

3517
02:47:36,210 --> 02:47:33,970
the side of these granite slabs and you

3518
02:47:37,889 --> 02:47:36,220
know in the middle of rural Georgia on a

3519
02:47:40,710 --> 02:47:37,899
plot of land that was paid for in

3520
02:47:43,530 --> 02:47:40,720
advance and and these stones were made

3521
02:47:46,530 --> 02:47:43,540
and and manufactured No

3522
02:47:48,570 --> 02:47:46,540
is it a conspiracy I don't know the

3523
02:47:51,210 --> 02:47:48,580
conspiracy is right there in front of

3524
02:47:52,979 --> 02:47:51,220
you certainly with with the depopulation

3525
02:47:54,510 --> 02:47:52,989
of the world and and all of these

3526
02:47:55,260 --> 02:47:54,520
concerns that are on the Georgia

3527
02:47:57,870 --> 02:47:55,270
Guidestones

3528
02:48:03,660 --> 02:47:57,880
and I believe that there was something

3529
02:48:05,760 --> 02:48:03,670
to it I do but my question is why why

3530
02:48:10,200 --> 02:48:05,770
would you want to depopulate the planet

3531
02:48:13,469 --> 02:48:10,210
why the all the goal why would I go and

3532
02:48:15,420 --> 02:48:13,479
build you know manufacturing plants for

3533
02:48:17,969 --> 02:48:15,430
automobiles all around the world

3534
02:48:20,790 --> 02:48:17,979
the and depopulate the world then I have

3535
02:48:23,460 --> 02:48:20,800
nobody to buy or drive the cars I have

3536
02:48:27,000 --> 02:48:23,470
nobody to purchase the gas I have nobody

3537
02:48:31,530 --> 02:48:27,010
to purchase the insurance and that scam

3538
02:48:33,830 --> 02:48:31,540
on the cars or the it all falls apart

3539
02:48:37,530 --> 02:48:33,840
and that's just one segment of society

3540
02:48:40,429 --> 02:48:37,540
I'm just talking about cars yeah I know

3541
02:48:46,320 --> 02:48:40,439
but you obviously haven't seen the movie

3542
02:48:52,500 --> 02:48:46,330
cars cars don't need us we need them

3543
02:48:56,219 --> 02:48:52,510
well again right no you just say you

3544
02:49:00,120 --> 02:48:56,229
just answered Mike my question that's

3545
02:49:02,550 --> 02:49:00,130
exactly my point you know it just it

3546
02:49:06,599 --> 02:49:02,560
doesn't make any sense it doesn't make

3547
02:49:09,330 --> 02:49:06,609
any sense you know and the the other the

3548
02:49:12,900 --> 02:49:09,340
other thing with the and I wrote all of

3549
02:49:16,380 --> 02:49:12,910
this in my article today is that there

3550
02:49:19,200 --> 02:49:16,390
are conspiracies out there then there is

3551
02:49:21,780 --> 02:49:19,210
another conspiracy that is the exact

3552
02:49:25,559 --> 02:49:21,790
opposite of the first conspiracy of

3553
02:49:28,260 --> 02:49:25,569
which right now there are hundreds of

3554
02:49:31,740 --> 02:49:28,270
them going crazy all over the internet

3555
02:49:35,350 --> 02:49:31,750
and you can't and that's the problem

3556
02:49:39,551 --> 02:49:35,360
with the conspiracy world you

3557
02:49:42,520 --> 02:49:39,561
and you can't back one of them you can't

3558
02:49:45,220 --> 02:49:42,530
look at one and then make a comment

3559
02:49:47,291 --> 02:49:45,230
about it to have conspiracy theorists

3560
02:49:49,870 --> 02:49:47,301
out there go wait a minute man you got

3561
02:49:52,390 --> 02:49:49,880
to believe in them all dude you can't

3562
02:49:55,270 --> 02:49:52,400
just pick and choose your conspiracies

3563
02:49:57,581 --> 02:49:55,280
and and and so my response is wait a

3564
02:50:00,461 --> 02:49:57,591
minute these conspiracies contradict

3565
02:50:03,041 --> 02:50:00,471
each other well yeah so you got to

3566
02:50:05,770 --> 02:50:03,051
believe in them both dude because one of

3567
02:50:07,990 --> 02:50:05,780
them one of them may be right you don't

3568
02:50:11,200 --> 02:50:08,000
want to be wrong in the conspiracy man

3569
02:50:13,030 --> 02:50:11,210
either you're all in on conspiracies or

3570
02:50:15,220 --> 02:50:13,040
you're not maybe you're not a real

3571
02:50:18,461 --> 02:50:15,230
conspiracy theorist and that's the

3572
02:50:21,850 --> 02:50:18,471
problem with the conspiracy world you

3573
02:50:24,400 --> 02:50:21,860
know in order to be all in you know you

3574
02:50:27,640 --> 02:50:24,410
can't go and see a random conspiracy

3575
02:50:30,131 --> 02:50:27,650
tweet that's you know that that's going

3576
02:50:32,680 --> 02:50:30,141
against the conspiracy that you believe

3577
02:50:36,400 --> 02:50:32,690
in and so you go ahead a comment on it

3578
02:50:38,560 --> 02:50:36,410
and you get pounced upon and it's it's

3579
02:50:40,240 --> 02:50:38,570
it's it's it's really funny well no I

3580
02:50:43,360 --> 02:50:40,250
don't believe in that conspiracy theory

3581
02:50:45,131 --> 02:50:43,370
but I believe in this one and the the

3582
02:50:48,730 --> 02:50:45,141
the reaction is always I said that

3583
02:50:51,490 --> 02:50:48,740
doesn't matter man you're all in you're

3584
02:50:53,081 --> 02:50:51,500
all in you believe in every conspiracy

3585
02:50:55,631 --> 02:50:53,091
theory or you're not a conspiracy

3586
02:50:57,610 --> 02:50:55,641
theorist you're a faker you know you're

3587
02:51:00,600 --> 02:50:57,620
wearing a mask and I find that

3588
02:51:04,270 --> 02:51:00,610
fascinating I really really do and today

3589
02:51:06,700 --> 02:51:04,280
the rise of the conspiracy theorists the

3590
02:51:08,280 --> 02:51:06,710
rise of the conspiracy there it's never

3591
02:51:11,761 --> 02:51:08,290
been like this before

3592
02:51:16,331 --> 02:51:11,771
conspiracy theorists in the past were

3593
02:51:18,461 --> 02:51:16,341
teased teased you know today the

3594
02:51:20,490 --> 02:51:18,471
conspiracy theorists and especially when

3595
02:51:23,560 --> 02:51:20,500
you have an answer like coronavirus

3596
02:51:27,280 --> 02:51:23,570
conspiracy theorists today are as legit

3597
02:51:30,430 --> 02:51:27,290
as any of the news that is out there any

3598
02:51:33,220 --> 02:51:30,440
of it hey Jimmy there's there's a

3599
02:51:36,430 --> 02:51:33,230
popular fallacy that stuff happens for a

3600
02:51:37,150 --> 02:51:36,440
reason because you're bad I doesn't like

3601
02:51:39,310 --> 02:51:37,160
you or something

3602
02:51:41,890 --> 02:51:39,320
mm-hmm but I'm gonna save here and put

3603
02:51:46,030 --> 02:51:41,900
it please pardon my conse thought stuff

3604
02:51:49,301 --> 02:51:46,040
just happens stuff just happens it's

3605
02:51:55,001 --> 02:51:51,850
yours fall out of the blue people are

3606
02:51:56,831 --> 02:51:55,011
killed it doesn't mean anything it

3607
02:52:00,371 --> 02:51:56,841
happens now if there's been you know

3608
02:52:02,890 --> 02:52:00,381
either malice or negligence that matters

3609
02:52:05,501 --> 02:52:02,900
but you know bad things happen to good

3610
02:52:08,261 --> 02:52:05,511
people all the time the one person who

3611
02:52:11,140 --> 02:52:08,271
survives the sinking of a boat says God

3612
02:52:13,600 --> 02:52:11,150
says God saved me what happened to the

3613
02:52:15,671 --> 02:52:13,610
999 or people who were poor that's right

3614
02:52:19,991 --> 02:52:15,681
what Cathedral that's right that's right

3615
02:52:21,461 --> 02:52:20,001
attitude no dolphins look by now tonight

3616
02:52:21,820 --> 02:52:21,471
you've got to have some other callers on

3617
02:52:23,980 --> 02:52:21,830
right

3618
02:52:27,371 --> 02:52:23,990
and we can do that Thank You Malcolm

3619
02:52:30,150 --> 02:52:27,381
have a good night great copulated your

3620
02:52:32,711 --> 02:52:30,160
Frank said gobekli tepe

3621
02:52:40,541 --> 02:52:32,721
gobekli tepe

3622
02:52:45,820 --> 02:52:40,551
and although and this is we're going

3623
02:52:47,650 --> 02:52:45,830
into this zone is is difficult when when

3624
02:52:52,930 --> 02:52:47,660
Malcolm says you know sometimes things

3625
02:52:56,591 --> 02:52:52,940
just happen and when we look at I don't

3626
02:52:59,951 --> 02:52:56,601
want to I don't want to be the person to

3627
02:53:02,501 --> 02:52:59,961
promote a conspiracy theory or back

3628
02:53:05,100 --> 02:53:02,511
something up ago okay aha it may be this

3629
02:53:07,871 --> 02:53:05,110
and then in the end which is very rare

3630
02:53:10,150 --> 02:53:07,881
that it turns out to be true that's

3631
02:53:13,570 --> 02:53:10,160
that's a that's a rare thing when it

3632
02:53:19,631 --> 02:53:13,580
comes to conspiracies most evidence is

3633
02:53:23,831 --> 02:53:19,641
based on not only theory but very very

3634
02:53:27,011 --> 02:53:23,841
loose connections and some of it isn't

3635
02:53:29,741 --> 02:53:27,021
even real right it's subjective but that

3636
02:53:36,371 --> 02:53:29,751
being said then there's the other part

3637
02:53:37,570 --> 02:53:36,381
of this is that you don't want to you

3638
02:53:39,161 --> 02:53:37,580
don't want to take the chance on

3639
02:53:43,360 --> 02:53:39,171
something and not only have it be wrong

3640
02:53:45,820 --> 02:53:43,370
but you the other part is if you go and

3641
02:53:49,031 --> 02:53:45,830
back up a certain conspiracy theory on a

3642
02:53:52,661 --> 02:53:49,041
subject and that one doesn't turn out to

3643
02:53:55,421 --> 02:53:52,671
be right but another one does that is

3644
02:53:58,661 --> 02:53:55,431
where you get into a very strange zone

3645
02:54:00,640 --> 02:53:58,671
and I'll give you an example you don't

3646
02:54:04,809 --> 02:54:00,650
want to

3647
02:54:07,900 --> 02:54:04,819
let's I'm speaking complete

3648
02:54:12,550 --> 02:54:07,910
just just off the cuff here but let's

3649
02:54:14,980 --> 02:54:12,560
pick a conspiracy theory that the corona

3650
02:54:19,300 --> 02:54:14,990
virus was created in a weapons and lab

3651
02:54:21,760 --> 02:54:19,310
in China okay you have the same thing

3652
02:54:25,200 --> 02:54:21,770
being said that it was created in a

3653
02:54:29,559 --> 02:54:25,210
weapons lab here in the United States

3654
02:54:32,170 --> 02:54:29,569
okay now you've got two versions of the

3655
02:54:35,010 --> 02:54:32,180
same theory weapons lab from the United

3656
02:54:37,719 --> 02:54:35,020
States weapons lab from China

3657
02:54:43,750 --> 02:54:37,729
you don't want either one of those to be

3658
02:54:45,910 --> 02:54:43,760
right okay you follow me but what if one

3659
02:54:48,969 --> 02:54:45,920
of the so three months from now we find

3660
02:54:51,580 --> 02:54:48,979
out that it was created in China or was

3661
02:54:53,620 --> 02:54:51,590
created in the United States and you

3662
02:54:57,190 --> 02:54:53,630
went on the opposite side you said hey

3663
02:54:59,050 --> 02:54:57,200
it was created in China and then it

3664
02:55:01,090 --> 02:54:59,060
turns out it was created here in the

3665
02:55:05,110 --> 02:55:01,100
United States and a weapons lab what do

3666
02:55:05,889 --> 02:55:05,120
you do with that what what do you do

3667
02:55:10,540 --> 02:55:05,899
with that

3668
02:55:13,030 --> 02:55:10,550
that's a funky world to go into where it

3669
02:55:15,550 --> 02:55:13,040
didn't turn out to be natural it didn't

3670
02:55:18,820 --> 02:55:15,560
come from a bat right it didn't come

3671
02:55:24,160 --> 02:55:18,830
from another animal it didn't mutate

3672
02:55:26,710 --> 02:55:24,170
into humans you know what if or we have

3673
02:55:31,240 --> 02:55:26,720
the opposite of all of that which is

3674
02:55:33,849 --> 02:55:31,250
maybe stuff just happens maybe it did

3675
02:55:38,469 --> 02:55:33,859
come from the animals the animal kingdom

3676
02:55:42,550 --> 02:55:38,479
and it did mutate and it was transmuted

3677
02:55:44,469 --> 02:55:42,560
into humans maybe that is the case and

3678
02:55:48,010 --> 02:55:44,479
what if that turns out to be right and

3679
02:55:51,760 --> 02:55:48,020
then all of these conspiracy theories

3680
02:55:53,050 --> 02:55:51,770
out there are not true and everything

3681
02:55:55,059 --> 02:55:53,060
that was said about different

3682
02:55:58,260 --> 02:55:55,069
individuals and people and political

3683
02:56:00,460 --> 02:55:58,270
systems and and corporations and in

3684
02:56:03,340 --> 02:56:00,470
individuals that have been blamed for

3685
02:56:05,469 --> 02:56:03,350
for taking the virus from here to there

3686
02:56:08,320 --> 02:56:05,479
where lives have been destroyed what if

3687
02:56:12,910 --> 02:56:08,330
all right what do we do with all of that

3688
02:56:15,791 --> 02:56:12,920
I'm not sure that's why in in this case

3689
02:56:18,791 --> 02:56:15,801
and I have asked everybody out there

3690
02:56:21,401 --> 02:56:18,801
to just chill out we don't know there

3691
02:56:23,051 --> 02:56:21,411
are hundreds and hundreds of reports and

3692
02:56:26,501 --> 02:56:23,061
theories and news outlets that are

3693
02:56:30,371 --> 02:56:26,511
saying things and all of it can't be

3694
02:56:32,470 --> 02:56:30,381
true it just can't so a couple of months

3695
02:56:34,121 --> 02:56:32,480
from now we're gonna get closer to it

3696
02:56:36,521 --> 02:56:34,131
we'll be able to look back and reflect

3697
02:56:39,671 --> 02:56:36,531
and assess and talk about it and debate

3698
02:56:42,220 --> 02:56:39,681
and point fingers and and do all of that

3699
02:56:44,831 --> 02:56:42,230
but right now we can't right now we can

3700
02:56:46,031 --> 02:56:44,841
I've got time for one more phone call hi

3701
02:56:53,621 --> 02:56:46,041
you're live on fade to black who's

3702
02:56:58,511 --> 02:56:53,631
calling who's this my name is Justin

3703
02:57:02,741 --> 02:56:58,521
Emily I am from Oklahoma hi mine my mom

3704
02:57:05,501 --> 02:57:02,751
called me a couple weeks ago okay I'm

3705
02:57:07,751 --> 02:57:05,511
kind of like a I was supposed to call

3706
02:57:09,970 --> 02:57:07,761
you a couple weeks ago during the first

3707
02:57:11,411 --> 02:57:09,980
giveaway for the membership and

3708
02:57:19,211 --> 02:57:11,421
everything but I didn't get the chance

3709
02:57:22,241 --> 02:57:19,221
okay so very stuff well okay we are at

3710
02:57:24,281 --> 02:57:22,251
the end of the show tonight we're going

3711
02:57:26,741 --> 02:57:24,291
to leave the network here in about 90

3712
02:57:28,511 --> 02:57:26,751
seconds is there something that you want

3713
02:57:33,541 --> 02:57:28,521
to get out there can you do it 90

3714
02:57:35,651 --> 02:57:33,551
seconds like I might be able to so

3715
02:57:38,321 --> 02:57:35,661
seventeen twenty eighteen twenty

3716
02:57:42,131 --> 02:57:38,331
nineteen twenty and now twenty twenty

3717
02:57:44,560 --> 02:57:42,141
have all been virus use okay right well

3718
02:57:46,661 --> 02:57:44,570
the first one was the great like a

3719
02:57:51,220 --> 02:57:46,671
Marshall that killed like two hundred

3720
02:57:53,651 --> 02:57:51,230
thousand plus eighteen twenty was cólera

3721
02:57:55,930 --> 02:57:53,661
pandemic and it killed a hundred

3722
02:57:58,720 --> 02:57:55,940
thousand plus then it was the Spanish

3723
02:58:00,581 --> 02:57:58,730
flu that killed five hundred million

3724
02:58:06,640 --> 02:58:00,591
people and a quarter of the world's

3725
02:58:09,671 --> 02:58:06,650
population right and I just I I honestly

3726
02:58:12,461 --> 02:58:09,681
do feel like it was a weapon very close

3727
02:58:18,301 --> 02:58:12,471
virus is a weapon against people but was

3728
02:58:20,921 --> 02:58:18,311
it a weapon in 1920 and 1820 and 1720

3729
02:58:23,321 --> 02:58:20,931
imeem I don't know but it's it's no

3730
02:58:26,591 --> 02:58:23,331
coincidence that the most major ones

3731
02:58:28,781 --> 02:58:26,601
have been on the every 100 years yeah

3732
02:58:29,530 --> 02:58:28,791
that's that's pretty interesting that's

3733
02:58:31,809 --> 02:58:29,540
you know

3734
02:58:33,969 --> 02:58:31,819
I read the same thing and that's enough

3735
02:58:37,389 --> 02:58:33,979
to for everybody to raise an eyebrow and

3736
02:58:38,849 --> 02:58:37,399
go yeah what's going on there and what

3737
02:58:44,530 --> 02:58:38,859
was your name again

3738
02:58:46,719 --> 02:58:44,540
Kristin Kristin Kristin oh Tristan I got

3739
02:58:48,490 --> 02:58:46,729
it I got a Tristan I want to thank you

3740
02:58:52,660 --> 02:58:48,500
for the phone call and what you should

3741
02:58:55,090 --> 02:58:52,670
do and Thursday nights is our open lines

3742
02:58:57,099 --> 02:58:55,100
night and call me back on Thursday night

3743
02:58:59,290 --> 02:58:57,109
and we can have a nice long conversation

3744
02:59:03,280 --> 02:58:59,300
just don't call me at five til 10:00

3745
02:59:05,500 --> 02:59:03,290
because that's the end hey Tristan

3746
02:59:07,530 --> 02:59:05,510
have a great night and I'll see you on

3747
02:59:10,360 --> 02:59:07,540
Thursday give me a call back

3748
02:59:12,550 --> 02:59:10,370
Gobekli Tepe gobekli tepe

3749
02:59:14,710 --> 02:59:12,560
that's what I'm talking about Tristan

3750
02:59:16,420 --> 02:59:14,720
from Oklahoma Thank You Tristan and with

3751
02:59:18,940 --> 02:59:16,430
that I got a roll credits I got to get

3752
02:59:22,330 --> 02:59:18,950
out of here thank you to Greg house for

3753
02:59:25,290 --> 02:59:22,340
an amazing conversation tonight and it's

3754
02:59:27,969 --> 02:59:25,300
just enough to make you think right

3755
02:59:29,740 --> 02:59:27,979
incredible conversation bata blacks

3756
02:59:31,450 --> 02:59:29,750
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3757
02:59:33,700 --> 02:59:31,460
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3758
02:59:35,580 --> 02:59:33,710
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3759
02:59:37,990 --> 02:59:35,590
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3760
02:59:41,019 --> 02:59:38,000
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3761
02:59:43,840 --> 02:59:41,029
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3762
02:59:48,670 --> 02:59:43,850
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3763
02:59:51,099 --> 02:59:48,680
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3764
02:59:53,110 --> 02:59:51,109
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3765
02:59:55,179 --> 02:59:53,120
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3766
02:59:57,400 --> 02:59:55,189
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3767
02:59:59,050 --> 02:59:57,410
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3768
03:00:00,700 --> 02:59:59,060
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3769
03:00:01,680 --> 03:00:00,710
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3770
03:00:04,410 --> 03:00:01,690
game changer

3771
03:00:04,650 --> 03:00:04,420
I'm your Jimmy Church until tomorrow

3772
03:00:09,270 --> 03:00:04,660
night

3773
03:00:11,360 --> 03:00:09,280
quit spirit c4 with Jason quit I want

3774
03:00:14,500 --> 03:00:11,370
everybody to be safe

3775
03:00:22,760 --> 03:00:14,510
Gobekli Tepe